The people's republic of Scotland
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BTD Yes voters cant loose mate. If we get yes and it works we celebrate and stick the proverbial two fingers up towards the no voters. If it don't work we can cross the border and get twice as many benefits as asylum seekers. Cant believe any one would vote no.
Your average Yes voter hasn't got much To lose, that's the problem.
Paul at Fechan
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why vote no? cause salmond is an ignorant scum bag bribing the less fortunate of us with money and false promises that can't be delivered and he knows it....
good enough?
good enough?
Norway has benefited hugely from oil and gas as have Shetland and Orkney and Aberdeen.Norway has it's oil fund.
They have done well because very early on they recognized it as as a one shot/ get it right deal.
Shetland consisted mainly of sheep farmers and fishermen and they have done a fantastic job of dealing with big tough oil companies and getting good deals. They used the money to build great facilities etc. Part of all this was because they employed the best people in jobs like finance and land and marine management...a lot of them English.
Orkney and Shetland also used Udal law to their advantage...smart cookies.
Here's the diff guy's...that was 40 years ago!.
The world has changed and so has the oil industry. Take a good look around.
Also...who's going to run Our show?...Alex Salmond.
He's the guy who used to look up to the "Celtic Tiger" economies of Ireland and Iceland. He's stopped doing that..anyone guess why?..no prizes.
As someone else here pointed out he pushed RBS into the Dutch deal that precipitated the RBS crash. We dodged a bullet there 'cos we were part of the uk. That would have sunk us as effectively as a rowing boat hitting a mine. Are you so sure there are no more mines out there...really?.
Of course "there's nothing to fear" and this is all "unsubstantiated negativity" while Total Carp is swallowed by the Yes folk in vast amounts who regard it as Positivity...go figure.
We are being asked to take a leap of faith here and that's what it amounts to to a lot of Yes people, a "Faith" led by a leader...Alex Salmond.
Don't forget another of Salmonds policies is land reform.
That gives us another country to compare to....Zimbabwe.
Some folk may be happy to make our country into a circus and put a clown in charge.
Not me.
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Well Put.
Now why cant the "YES" brigaid see this...way too busy dreaming of William Wallace and "Freedom" Its all there in black and white, you jus have to want to see it.
Alex Salmond...in charge...not on your life. Once again the Scottish Nobles (I use this tongue in cheek) will sell you down the swanny.
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Quote from David Cameron, There is absolutely no reason why Scotland could not be a viable and successful country on its own as are many small country's, but I believe we can be better and greater together
UNQUOTE Coming from the most ardent of no campaigners that does not sound as if an independent Scotland might be
quite the disaster some believe.
My politics are a private matter, but I will say if you believe in democracy than the Scots should have the right to decide whether to stay or leave the union.
The ordinary Scot never had the choice of whether to join or not , that decision was made by the landowners, and big business owners of the day, now that decision may well have been in the best interest of Scotland at the time , but it was not popular with the ordinary people and caused much rioting, and it was most certainly not democratic.
A union that is forced upon a people is not a union but rule by another name.
At least with the referendum this time around the people have the choice of whether to accept that union or go it alone, that's democracy.
Choose wisely.
UNQUOTE Coming from the most ardent of no campaigners that does not sound as if an independent Scotland might be
quite the disaster some believe.
My politics are a private matter, but I will say if you believe in democracy than the Scots should have the right to decide whether to stay or leave the union.
The ordinary Scot never had the choice of whether to join or not , that decision was made by the landowners, and big business owners of the day, now that decision may well have been in the best interest of Scotland at the time , but it was not popular with the ordinary people and caused much rioting, and it was most certainly not democratic.
A union that is forced upon a people is not a union but rule by another name.
At least with the referendum this time around the people have the choice of whether to accept that union or go it alone, that's democracy.
Choose wisely.
6pointer
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I am shocked at how many English are rubbishing the YES vote. Regards Alex Salmond he was voted in to govern Scotland for the time being who we vote for next will depend on how they perform not how they look. David Cameron couldn't have wiped his back side with the tory votes that came from Scotland.
Come on you English look on the bright side you will be able to rule your selves instead of worrying about the UK.
Come on you English look on the bright side you will be able to rule your selves instead of worrying about the UK.
Do you think they will manage?
You make out that nationality is disconnected from sense.
Sensible folk are sensible folk.
Nationality is irrelevant....not to the snp though.
Freedumb and Happy Daze !
listening to Radio Scotland this morning two folk said they would vote Yes.
The first was a woman who said she didn't want to be part of a country that was engaged in war and had nuclear weapons.
The second was a guy who had had his benefits cut and blamed Westminster.
That's democracy folks.
The first was a woman who said she didn't want to be part of a country that was engaged in war and had nuclear weapons.
The second was a guy who had had his benefits cut and blamed Westminster.
That's democracy folks.
NeilG
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Hello 6P.
Your post sums it up nicely in my mind.... Let democracy, which is what we all seem to stand for, decide on the outcome and move forward.... England has more than enough issues of its own to get on with, and if NI and Wales ultimately want to go their own way aswell, then who are we to to stop them - Let the National people ( those who actually live there ) decide their future path, form their own government, and rule themselves.
I am definitely one Englishman who is not rubbishing the YES vote, and think it is great to see where it leads.
All the best.
Neil.
Absolutely.
Hopefully the bully boys, egg throwers and poster destroyers will allow that to happen.
Hopefully the bully boys, egg throwers and poster destroyers will allow that to happen.
On the other hand, the Weir group, who have different priorities than the above folk,have commissioned this report...
http://www.weir.co.uk/media/press-releases/news/2014/04/independence-report
It makes interesting reading but will probably bounce right off the Yes folk.
Doesn't fit the dream.
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There were more than two folk said they voted yes there was also a few uneducated points from below the border
I picked two examples.
Feel free to pick others.
Feel free to pick others.
jimmy milnes
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A very interesting and topical debate, seriously I'm all for the Scottish if the vote for independence, but go totally independent no half measures !!!! ie... The good the bad the rough the smooth.
However just remember that which ever side of the fence your on you are most probably being lied to by the people who wish you to vote for them !!!!!
Good luck
Jimmy
However just remember that which ever side of the fence your on you are most probably being lied to by the people who wish you to vote for them !!!!!
Good luck
Jimmy
I often wonder where would be if Jame VI decided to rule from Scotland (in which he was king of first) instead of England..
Not willing to get into yet another debate, I am a YES voter for one reason and one reason only , as far as Westminster is concerned Scotlands vote for good or bad does not count it is impossible to say if it does because the stats just dont add up . simple sums mean that even if everyone in Scotland voted the same person the outcomes of the pas General Elections would never have changed so independence is the only way Scotland will be a proper democratic society.
Not willing to get into yet another debate, I am a YES voter for one reason and one reason only , as far as Westminster is concerned Scotlands vote for good or bad does not count it is impossible to say if it does because the stats just dont add up . simple sums mean that even if everyone in Scotland voted the same person the outcomes of the pas General Elections would never have changed so independence is the only way Scotland will be a proper democratic society.
NOTSHARP
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You do vote for who sits in Scottish parliament though. They decide how the Scottish budget is spent (hence the whole free education and prescriptions) and how evenly it's distributed through Scotland.
Would you vote for a ban on airguns? I didn't vote for it and yet it's happening. Westminster certainly didn't make them do that.
The SNP want to leave one union and join another? One that they're already a member of! They want independence from England but want to use the pound. That'll mean that Scotland's interest rates will be set in England and they'll have to tow the line with their economic policy or they won't be allowed any more cash! Then they want to go to another (failing) union with the EEC. We all know how invasive and overbearing those regulations are!
The whole process will cost ultra billions and you or I will have no different a life. The whole thing is just so that Alec can make his mark in history. It's entirely based on anti English feelings and nothing else.
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