The people's republic of Scotland

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SL6.5 said:
I did read it. In the same vein as one of your earlier posts, all it doesn't promise is; that a spaceship is coming to obliterate us. i.e. More unsubstantiated negativity.

On the countdown.........................:british: and I am not referring to independence either :D
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I still cannot believe the anti Britain/Westminster arguments being put forward on here. Is it really so bad living in Scotland at the moment,and will it be so much better in the future?
Consider yourselves damned lucky,like the rest of the UK. If you think you are hard done by just try 80% of the counties in the world and see how fast you want to come back.
Syria or Iraq might be good for starters,no Health or benefit system there or most of Africa or India.
Get real you Yes people we are all fortunate on this Island. Just be thankful you are part of it, or be stupid beyond belief split it and suffer the consequences.
 
who cares about nukes? Unavoidable sharp rises to food bills, taxes to pay for brand new services i.e. border security, armed forces etc. Most dangerously however; a sharply rising unemployment issue as 10's of thousands of jobs end and or are relocated that leads to what? A new kind of welfare state, increased crime??

You can't make Scotland better by weakening it and making is a less inviting place to invest in. We really are better leaving things working, if it ain't broke....

Salmond is basically the devil's political personification of a gas and electricity door to door salesman, he tells you you will save all this money and you will be better off so you sign a contract which you don't understand at the time because you're wowed by his pitch. Then blinded by false hopes and with a binding contract you soon find all is not well and the hassle soon follows, cancellation bills, charges and you suddenly realise you just wish you'd left it the way it was and you're worse off. You are being told what you need to to sign his contract but he is lying to you because he wants what's best for him and not you.
 
Kalahari said:
Actually, the question is "Should the United Kingdom be broken up?" If that is the case we should all have a vote. The decision will change all our lives and many will have no say at all.

David.
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timbrayford said:
Absolutely correct, the UK is a united Scottish and English Kingdom and as such both nations should vote on the dissolution of this (apologies to the residents of NI and Wales but if I understand the constitution correctly both your nations are "provinces")
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Not correct. Scotland is not voting to break up the Union it is voting on secession. The break up or otherwise of the Union is a secondary consequence, if it is a consequence at all. (whatever the historic status or the other nations of the UK, Scotland is 5 million people; there are 58 million in England, Wales and Northern Ireland) The future of the Union is not the question addressed by the vote.
If Scotland's vote is a vote to decide its own future, a vote by the rest of the UK would amount to a vote on whether or not to let them. A Yes in Scotland countered by No in the rest of the UK would mean Scotland held in a union against its wishes. Such a settlement would be truly toxic. If the Title of our country has to alter to remain factually correct then alter it. It just words. It doesn't matter.
 
Paul what crap you spout lol.I think your the devils own stalking servant. Scotland is not a good place to live if you are looking for a reasonable standard of living.
Some one said Scotland will turn in to a third world country if they go it a lone. Not a chance of it improving by that much. UK,s worst death rate for heart disease cancer and every other health problem associated with poverty. TFH Spend one week in the east end of Glasgow the area that has the highest population and the worst poverty highest crime and then ask why many scots are voting YES. You can buy a house in toll cross for as little as 20.000.I don't see any English running up here to use it as a holiday home.
If we go it alone at least then it will be our own doing not the forgotten country in Westminster.
Something for you to read Paul are we really better together I wonder how Londoners would feel if the financial centre of our great nation was moved to Glasgow or Edinburgh.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/15/glasgow-east-end-people-not-pampered
 
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6pointer said:
Paul what crap you spout lol.I think your the devils own stalking servant. Scotland is not a good place to live if you are looking for a reasonable standard of living.
Some one said Scotland will turn in to a third world country if they go it a lone. Not a chance of it improving by that much. UK,s worst death rate for heart disease cancer and every other health problem associated with poverty. TFH Spend one week in the east end of Glasgow the area that has the highest population and the worst poverty highest crime and then ask why many scots are voting YES. You can buy a house in toll cross for as little as 20.000.I don't see any English running up here to use it as a holiday home.
If we go it alone at least then it will be our own doing not the forgotten country in Westminster.
Something for you to read Paul are we really better together I wonder how Londoners would feel if the financial centre of our great nation was moved to Glasgow or Edinburgh.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/15/glasgow-east-end-people-not-pampered
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Jeez, and I get accused of being negative.

Myself and all my family were born in the Gorbals, went through the war there too,and my grandparents.
Our parents didn't bleat about being "deprived", they just got on with bringing us up and giving us the best they could....and we've all done pretty damn well. Most of the folk I know are doing pretty well too.

Salmond talks about us "putting our shoulders to the wheel and getting Scotland moving" after a Yes vote.
Take a good look at some of the Yes "campaigners" on tv (like the ones in the Jim Murphy video) and ask yourself, whose shoulders are Really going to be put to the wheel?.

A lot of those folk seem to think the world owes them a living and they have nothing to lose.
In general it's the have-nots who are keen on Yes. Other folk tend to be pretty scared of it.

ps.. The folk I know in the financial centre of Edinburgh are either making plans for early retirement or to move South.
 
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6pointer said:
Paul what crap you spout lol.I think your the devils own stalking servant. Scotland is not a good place to live if you are looking for a reasonable standard of living.
Some one said Scotland will turn in to a third world country if they go it a lone. Not a chance of it improving by that much. UK,s worst death rate for heart disease cancer and every other health problem associated with poverty. TFH Spend one week in the east end of Glasgow the area that has the highest population and the worst poverty highest crime and then ask why many scots are voting YES. You can buy a house in toll cross for as little as 20.000.I don't see any English running up here to use it as a holiday home.
If we go it alone at least then it will be our own doing not the forgotten country in Westminster.
Something for you to read Paul are we really better together I wonder how Londoners would feel if the financial centre of our great nation was moved to Glasgow or Edinburgh.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/may/15/glasgow-east-end-people-not-pampered
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The recent publication regarding the poverty/health issues in the Tollcross and Shettleston areas had my attention as for most of my career I worked predominately in these areas.
I noted that tv crews were in the area interviewing some of the residents and the one which was shown being interviewed on the evening news did not invoke my sympathy.
Wearing the obligatory football top, teeth like a row of condemmed houses, brown nicotined stained fingers wearing gold sovereign rings and chains which made him look like a cross between Mr T of the A team crossed with a walking dead zombie, he blamed the Government for his predicament. At his feet was the blue carrier bag from the local corner shop which I am certain did not contain some of the recommended 5 a day.
Yes, there is a lot of genuine poverty, particularly in the areas you mentioned. Do you think for one minute that this guys lot and those of his neighbours would be different under an Independent Scotland.
It was decided a few years back that Scotland would get free prescriptions. The decision to do so was a no brainer as it cost several million more per year to administer the "old" system. The decision to give it "free" to everyone was a simple business decision as by far the majority of those getting a prescription fell into one of the categories which meant you did not pay. The army of staff involved in administring the old system were redeployed elsewhere in the system.
Free prescriptions were not given by the Scottish Government as a gesture of goodwill, as often spouted by those in power.

ps. The last paragraph of private frasers post above pretty much ties in with the point I was making
 
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Davie, you're missing the angle that actually it's the socio-economics of Glagow's poorer areas are what gives us pretty much every bad statistic on the table but globally we're doing pretty good!!!! Office for National Statistics (ONS) puts unemployment at only 6.5% for Scotland which is better than the rest of the UK but if you suddenly break us off that figure will jump greatly in the first two years.... Why do this when things are good?

If you consider that current figures put forward for the average reading age in Scotland is 11 and currently the medium of communication to the masses is TV then selling the Yes campaign with the money 'better off' strategy in the way Salmond has is dangerous and morally wrong. People and businesses with the cash with leave because where the money is will be where the taxes come from to pay for this glorious new political cult.
 
SL6.5 said:
I did read it. In the same vein as one of your earlier posts, all it doesn't promise is; that a spaceship is coming to obliterate us. i.e. More unsubstantiated negativity.
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You keep asking for evidence for stuff that has happened many times before and is a known consequence of something.
Like uncertainty causing interest rates to rise and the £ to lose value (as it has recently).

There is little or no evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow, but there's a lot of history backing it up.
It's a bit like that.

You seem strangely willing to believe in unsubstantiated positivity ? :???:
 
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So do the politicians in Edinburgh lend support to those living in the far flung corners of the real highlands. Not that I have seen in 29 years, although I hate to think what will happen to the Firearms laws in Scotland. Are they not already talking of licencing air rifles?

As for cheap housing at £20,000 a throw. This is not only Scotland, there are many places in England that are as cheap if not cheaper. Try equating the prices in Edinburgh with areas of Glasgow you mentioned. Inverness prices have risen dramatically over the past years, and it is just the same in parts of England where upon young people have no hope of buying a reasonable property in their local village as more wealthy people have bought second homes and pushed prices through the roof.

Whatever the Scottish people decide they will need to live with it forever, so I hope they make the right decision.

Lets face it has anyone on this site or for that matter anywhere else in the world ever believed anything any recent politician has ever said, and honestly believed them that it will happen?
 
Adherents to the Yes campaign remind me of those folk who, at the suggestion of a stage hypnotist, believe that their hands are stuck together or that their backsides are glued to the chair or something.

There is no evidence ;) to prove that this is so, their friends try to tell them that it isn't so, there is no logical reason to believe that it would be so, but still they believe it.

Maybe A. Salmond esquire missed his vocation.
Move over Paul McKenna :)
 
Paul sadly you are correct Glasgow dose distort the figures. When you consider we have 5000.000 in the whole of Scotland and 1,250.000 In Glasgow then you realise the enormity of the problem. A problem that is over looked because it would cost to much to fix. Bob I am glad you fought your way out of depression no one should suffer it in this day an age. But Glasgow as a whole has had a very raw deal because of its political views. (labour |SNP )No vote for Con,s.
Malc the Scottish public have in Westminster leaders they never voted for and who do not care for the Scottish people because to them they do not matter. Putting forward Alistair Darling to Lead the no vote was proof of that.:rofl:
This is not about SNP LABOUR CON,S This is about Scotland making its own future and deciding who they want to put in power.


Your statement on firearms laws dose not really matter we have more wildlife being shot by illegal means than we do legally and that's by government employees and there appointees. This Malcolm includes your area up north.
Its time for change that's the feeling were I am as the saying goes can it get much worse.
For all you English who love to travel to Scotland and admire its stunning scenery. Just take the cut off for Glasgow next time and sit and have a burger in toll cross park .I think you will change your mind at what a depressed area looks like.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=e...LGAEIfQ7AbN1oFY&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1477&bih=711
 
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Letter from America,very heart string tugging. I've had a few of those.
My brother went to the States donkeys ago when it was like the promised land.
He is 72 and still working 'cos he needs the health insurance.
Meanwhile we have free bus passes over 60 free prescriptions winter fuel allowance etc etc.
The brother looks on incredulously and more than a tad jealously. The States isn't a good place to be old and ill

We're not doing too badly here,let's not through it all up in the air and hope it lands nicely.
Salmond and his ministers have big fat pensions..they will be ok.
Will we ?
 
Why has the government not reported the following?

Scottish West Coast untapped oil and gas reserves worth trillions - Oil and Gas News

Is it because if they do it will be a more compelling case for independence!
If the story is correct then Scotland will be set for my lifetime anyway if not my daughters and beyond

So who do we believe - the same government that in 1974 said that oil and gas wouldn't last and independence isn't worth it?
How much have they creamed off since then that Scotland could have retained?

Those voting no are entitled to their thoughts but if they vote no and this comes to the fore and then Scotland is taken for everything it's got then I'll be jumping up and down screaming Told you so!


We have nothing to fear except fear itself!
 
private fraser said:
Letter from America,very heart string tugging. I've had a few of those.
My brother went to the States donkeys ago when it was like the promised land.
He is 72 and still working 'cos he needs the health insurance.
Meanwhile we have free bus passes over 60 free prescriptions winter fuel allowance etc etc.
The brother looks on incredulously and more than a tad jealously. The States isn't a good place to be old and ill

We're not doing too badly here,let's not through it all up in the air and hope it lands nicely.
Salmond and his ministers have big fat pensions..they will be ok.
Will we ?
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You are correct. We are not doing too badly, compared to our Southern neighbours. A Yes vote might let that continue. A No vote likely puts us in jeopardy like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/e...es-proposed-to-pay-for-free-elderly-care.html
 
Re West coast oil etc...
I worked on a seismic survey ship on some of those areas in the early 80's....it's never been a secret that there's oil and gas there so bang goes the secret conspiracy theory.
The companies will explore and drill as and when it becomes profitable for them and the future hereabouts is less uncertain.
 
private fraser said:
Re West coast oil etc...
I worked on a seismic survey ship on some of those areas in the early 80's....it's never been a secret that there's oil and gas there so bang goes the secret conspiracy theory.
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But was it ever announced to the general public?
I can't seem to recall any announcement stating this.
if there is significant oil there then that should bring prices down - oh no it won't 'cause I forgot Westminster will want to cream of anything possible and give us the dregs!
 
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