Can we count Enoch P as being believed now? Or is he not quite recent enough
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Obama has just announced reversal of the cuts in Nato defence capability.
Good news for those in the defence industries.
Providing they still have jobs of course.
Good news for those in the defence industries.
Providing they still have jobs of course.
I find talking to the ardent 'project faith' yes camp rather depressing.
there seems to be so much greedy acceptance of what they want to hear and selective blindness to anything that doesn't fit the Lala manifesto. I think it's closest to being willing to jump off a cliff into fog and hoping that the drop isn't too big.
there seems to be so much greedy acceptance of what they want to hear and selective blindness to anything that doesn't fit the Lala manifesto. I think it's closest to being willing to jump off a cliff into fog and hoping that the drop isn't too big.
Me to.
Somebody on here mentioned Greece re politicians promises.
Same could happen here.
Wee eck and his ministers aren't worried about the drop, they have their own parachutes in the form of pensions
ps... Just googled it..
End of line for First Ministers' half-salary pension | Herald Scotland
Not bad eh?
Somebody on here mentioned Greece re politicians promises.
Same could happen here.
Wee eck and his ministers aren't worried about the drop, they have their own parachutes in the form of pensions
ps... Just googled it..
End of line for First Ministers' half-salary pension | Herald Scotland
Not bad eh?
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wivenhoe65
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I view the debate pretty much as a fairly cynical disinterested observer , as i have already said i don't much care which way the vote go's ,i can however, spot a lying useless blowhard when i see one - and cannot believe how many people north of the border are prepared to swallow the ***** he spouts to follow some hopelessly romantic notion of "freedom" ,freedom from what exactly , the tyranny of Westminster ? give me a break ......
Lol
I hope you realise that you've got the Yes voters on here transfixed.
When are you going to snap your fingers and bring them round ?.
On second thoughts, just leave it.
The cheque's in the post
I hope you realise that you've got the Yes voters on here transfixed.
When are you going to snap your fingers and bring them round ?.
On second thoughts, just leave it.
The cheque's in the post
Bandit Country
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You obviously have no idea of how UK politics have been dominated for years by Scottish politicians. A quick check of constituency demographics will show that each Scottish MP represents about 55,000 individuals while in England it is about 77,000. How's that for a real democratic deficit - without the ever present West Lothian question? At an individual level no vote really counts. Imagine being a true blue Tory in somewhere like Merthyr Tydfil, or a die hard socialist in Reigate? Both effectively disenfranchised by virtue of where they live. Not ideal, but the democratic system we have.
I'll tell you what is really undemocratic - the fact that a minority bunch of selfish blowhards want to destroy a political entity to the detriment of tens of millions of people - who, coincidentally, have been denied any say in the matter. Please spare us the lazy rhetoric about 'a proper democracy'.
What I'd really like to know is, if there is a Yes vote, what will happen to all the Scots folk living in England and Wales, who will then be foreigners and not part of the EU, so with no right of abode? Presumably, they'll all have to get work permits or face deportation? Or will they have to decide to become (heaven forbid!) some sort of faux-Englishman? I suppose, in the interests of equality, we'd have to ask the Welsh Assembly if they'd take a quota and make them faux-Welshmen?
Re pensions
The Yes folk say "nothing to fear"...really?.
It's worth noting that the Health Service pension scheme is UN-funded.
Know anyone who works for the Health Service?. This is from the BBC website...
"In an independent Scotland, overnight all UK-wide pensions would become cross-border. A company scheme could have employees in both Scotland and the rest of the UK who have all paidinto the scheme, and money will have to be paid out to them in their respective countries, and potentially in their different currencies.
EU rules state that cross-border schemes need to be fully-funded at all times. Most UK pensions are not fully funded at all times, if everyone wanted to take all their money out all at once, they wouldn't be able to. So overnight there would be "black holes" in lots of UK private pension schemes. To fill the gap it's possible that pensioners would have to pay more in, making pensions more expensive, or the schemes might be split into separate schemes for Scotland and the rest of the UK - again this is likely to cost more.
The Scottish government says that the EU would allow extra time to iron out the problems, and make sure that funds were able to adapt. The Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland doesn't think the time frame proposed would be long enough."
Don't forget, there's no need to worry...according to the Yes-ers.
ps... Looks like this affects folk in England re pensions whether they like it or not...
"In an independent Scotland, overnight all UK-wide pensions would become cross-border."
The Yes folk say "nothing to fear"...really?.
It's worth noting that the Health Service pension scheme is UN-funded.
Know anyone who works for the Health Service?. This is from the BBC website...
"In an independent Scotland, overnight all UK-wide pensions would become cross-border. A company scheme could have employees in both Scotland and the rest of the UK who have all paidinto the scheme, and money will have to be paid out to them in their respective countries, and potentially in their different currencies.
EU rules state that cross-border schemes need to be fully-funded at all times. Most UK pensions are not fully funded at all times, if everyone wanted to take all their money out all at once, they wouldn't be able to. So overnight there would be "black holes" in lots of UK private pension schemes. To fill the gap it's possible that pensioners would have to pay more in, making pensions more expensive, or the schemes might be split into separate schemes for Scotland and the rest of the UK - again this is likely to cost more.
The Scottish government says that the EU would allow extra time to iron out the problems, and make sure that funds were able to adapt. The Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland doesn't think the time frame proposed would be long enough."
Don't forget, there's no need to worry...according to the Yes-ers.
ps... Looks like this affects folk in England re pensions whether they like it or not...
"In an independent Scotland, overnight all UK-wide pensions would become cross-border."
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8x57
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I suppose the Welsh would be only to happy to take them Bandit Country, after all they have been trying to make their gang bigger for years by annexing Monmouthshire into Wales. 
Leave us borderers alone and go and argue amongst yourselves, we don't really want to belong to either England or Wales.
Leave us borderers alone and go and argue amongst yourselves, we don't really want to belong to either England or Wales.
As one (of many scores or more likely hundreds of thousands) who was born in Scotland but lives in England, the FAQ in the SNP's 'white paper' says I'll automatically become a Scottish citizen after independence. To which my response is a very angry 'Up yours! Wee Eck' especially as like all expat Scots I'm denied denied a vote in the referendum.
My understanding is that one's citizenship cannot be arbitrarily removed, and my hope is that I automatically get the choice of retaining what will become RoUK citizenship. I imagine that many who live in England but unlike me would not wish to renounce their 'new' status as founders of a reborn nation as they intend to return will either be covered by an agreement between the two countries giving automatic travel, residence and work rights to each others' citizens, perhaps by dual nationality in some circumstances.
I've noted a certain personal antipathy to the good Mr Salmond in some posts - shame on you all getting personal against this honest upright man doing his best for his countrymen. W-e-l-l .... being honest, I've got to say I absolutely loathe the creep and cringe / get angry every time I hear his voice in news reports. I can't hear he man without picturing him riding a horse and cart into medieval villages or small communities in the 19th century American 'West' and stopping off at the village square to peddle all sorts of quack remedies in little stoppered bottles to cure every known ailment, grow hair back, and enhance sexual virility. The buyers back then of such liars' potions are obviously still around today in considerable numbers for similar deceits. The art of the conman is to cunningly persuade the 'mark' that he or she is the one who can't lose in the deal and let the victim's greed and stupidity do the convincing and close the sale - that's just what we're seeing in a lot (not all) 'yes' supporters.
Well put,especially the last sentence .
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NOTSHARP
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I have to agree with all of the above.
Especially the last paragraph.
An interesting read from Brian Wilson
Brian Wilson: Border costs post-independence - The Scotsman
Why so many unanswered question ?
Because there are no answers!
Steve.
Highlandsjohn
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ps.. The folk I know in the financial centre of Edinburgh are either making plans for early retirement or to move South.
Good news indeed.john
Good news indeed.john
palmer_mike
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Very interesting link steve, thank you.
Good article.
Would any Yes voters care to fill in the answers ?.
Re postage and carrier costs.. Couriers have confirmed that they will "review and probably increase charges in the event of a Yes vote"
Any yes voters here who order stuff off eBay amazon etc etc care to comment?.
Or is it all going to go strangely quiet on the Yes front ??.
SL6.5
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Absolutely! You're not actually Sir Angus G, are you? If you are
He certainly seems very bullish about the prospect of independence and I've no doubt a few empty offices in Edinburgh would not be a catastrophe for him and good news for the rest of us too.
Gazza
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Doom and gloom by the no camp. But there is one thing for sure, if there was a victory for the yes camp and we were at the point of out first General Election for a Scottish Government every single political party in Scotland will be after our vote and professing how they can provide the best schools, Health Service, Security, etc etc. Perhaps they should be called upon right now to state their plan B just in case.
Seriously? Scotland's major financial institutions shifting HQ and the associated power base to England is ok and nothing to worry about ? Jobs follow the centre of power..ever was it thus. Let's just effectively neuter on of our major business streams for some undefinable belief that politicians in holyrood are any more interested in anything but themselves over Westminster.Absolutely! You're not actually Sir Angus G, are you? If you are
He certainly seems very bullish about the prospect of independence and I've no doubt a few empty offices in Edinburgh would not be a catastrophe for him and good news for the rest of us too.
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