The people's republic of Scotland

[NOTSHARP]

Seemingly the oil only makes up around 10% of income, so while it is nice to have it will never bank roll the country, and the yes have missed a trick by not producing their books either ignoring oil altogether or with a more realistic/lower value for the oil.
Plenty of small similar size countries survive without oil.

As for 16 yr olds, i was amazed to read that the 16-18 yr old demographic was actually voting no more than yes, i was quite surprised too. Backfired a bit on the yes camp.

Finally in the paper the day about these

financial institions moving their 'brass name tags' south, according to their statements thats exactly wot there doing and they say few jobs if any will be lost. So not quite the doom and gloom some on here were predicting.

I dare say this may change and there just trying to save face with there customers, but at the same time it is the obvious thing to do to guarantee they are covered by the BoE, althou it will mean scotland losses possibly future tax income from them

cb, it's not just the prospect of some job losses. The concern is that by moving their "brass name tags", they are creating uncertanty within the money markets. Look at the drop in share prices.

Now, I know that many "YES" voters decry the evil capitalist money makers, but the Socialist "give away everything free" ethic, needs money to operate.

Where does it come from? There will not be enough raised in taxes(as it now stands). Oil, we agree, will not fund it all. An independent SG will have to borrow on the international money market, probably on a huge scale. If that market is unstable, the cost of borrowing will be volatile.

The problem is far, far deeper than a few job losses.




Steve.

 

[private fraser]

Aye it's just brass plates, nothing to do with tax at all...


Google, registered in Ireland...

Google's UK division paid £12m in corporation tax in 2012 - Telegraph

Starbucks, registered in Nederlands for years, just come to the uk after a blazing row...

Starbucks to pay corporation tax on profits in the UK after HQ move - Telegraph

Saved a lotta tax over a lotta years though.

 

[User00035]

What we don't know is whether all these businesses lining up to leave Scotland are making a judgement against the concept of independence per se or fleeing the prospect of living under perpetual socialism.
The more I see of Mr Salmond and his rabble-rousing campaign the more I think of Hugo Chavez and Venezuela.

 

[finnbear270]

What we don't know is whether all these businesses lining up to leave Scotland are making a judgement against the concept of independence per se or fleeing the prospect of living under perpetual socialism.
The more I see of Mr Salmond and his rabble-rousing campaign the more I think of Hugo Chavez and Venezuela.

Ceausescu came to mind

 

[private fraser]

Like any good lawyer, policeman or journalist would do, Nick Robinson asked a question to which he already knew the answer to judge the honesty of the person being asked.
He did this at a press conference of international journalists and some UK journalists.
Robinson is the bbc's political editor, make know mistake he knows his stuff and he knew the answer.
It wasn't the answer that Salmond gave though so Robinson thought he had him.

Wee eck had seen this coming though and had filled the seats behind Robinson with snp supporters...it was supposed to be a press conference.
These supposed "journalists" would clap everything Salmond said, sometimes even before he had finished saying it.
When did you ever hear applause at a press conference?. Is this the New Free Scotland type of press conference...a loaded one?.

Watch Salmond's body language when addressing Robinson, he can hardly be bothered to make eye contact and treats him with barely concealed contempt.
Salmond doesn't get round to Robinsons second question, airily dismisses the first with what Robinson knows to be incorrect information and tries to move swiftly on.

During the course of Salmonds answer Robinson tries to interact with him but is drowned out by applause from some "journalist"?.
Salmond finishes his diatribe, forgets about Robinsons second question and tries to move on.
He waves his hand and addresses "our friends in the international community". They are journalists....any journalist worth their pay would be most insulted to be called a politicians friend.
Robinson tries to get Salmonds attention as he knows the corporation tax issue has not been answered correctly, he also knows that Salmond has body swerved the second question entirely. Robinson is almost drowned out by more loud applause but persists. Salmond accuses him of heckling.

The snp engage in cheap tactics like this hoping nobody will notice.
It's a bit like the goalie in the big football match with all the cameras that they have these days, sweeping the ball back out of the net. That happened and he did get away with it 'cos the referee wasn't watching...that's football. But it was all captured on film.
And so was wee eck's "press conference"....



What the Spectator had to say...

Alex Salmond Spectator Blogs

Salmond is a bully,he tried to bully Aberdeen council and they banned him from council offices and schools. His own folk know him better than anyone.
He's a sleazy, arrogant Toytown politician used to dealing with underlings and flunkies not top grade journalists who question the worlds top leaders.
Voting Yes gives him all the power he has been after.

As Jim Sillars said in his truly amazing article recently...."it's all about power".

 

[RED-DOT]

Anyone else getting fed up with all this? The vote is bigger than the SNP and whether AS is a snake.... "Lets just vote"?

 

[finnbear270]

Anyone else getting fed up with all this? The vote is bigger than the SNP and whether AS is a snake.... "Lets just vote"?

Hallefe**in luja

 

[6pointer]

PF The BBC are not innocent in this and have an agenda. Or should we call them the EBC. This vote is for Scotland to go it alone and become an independent country. Most are not bothered about AS.
5 days to go.
will it be YES OR no . Sorry FB couldn't help my self

 

[finnbear270]

 

[palmer_mike]

Anyone else getting fed up with all this? The vote is bigger than the SNP and whether AS is a snake.... "Lets just vote"?

No one is forcing you to read the debate if you've had enough

 

[RED-DOT]

EVERYBODY i speak to has made up their mind and i doubt if they will be swayed by companies like Asda & John Lewis saying prices will rise.... The bankers can go south and the canny Scots will boycott them. Big loss to them.
The YES vandals are slashing and defacing flags and banners around here and doing the cause no good.

 

[bogtrotter]

EVERYBODY i speak to has made up their mind and i doubt if they will be swayed by companies like Asda & John Lewis saying prices will rise.... The bankers can go south and the canny Scots will boycott them. Big loss to them.
The YES vandals are slashing and defacing flags and banners around here and doing the cause no good.

Stupid, stupid, also seeing banners vandalised how the hell do they think that will help their cause.

A certain amount of frustration no doubt, but its not doing them any favours.

 

[private fraser]

Salmonds "brown shirts" getting an early start on the "new fairer society" he promises.

I hope someone can get these folk back in their box after the vote next week.
They could still be a problem afterwards, whichever way it goes.


The day after Salmond "won" (?) the tv debate with Alistair Darling he said, on live tv, that Yes campaigners had "an extra swagger in their step".
I don't think much of folk who swagger.

 

[berg]

Well we will all see soon enough I just glad I am in England ,Scotland Will be broke just like Spain Italy Greece ,witch is good for me as the houses the are not worth much now let's 150k Will bee worth naff all 80k and I can pick up a nice cheap holiday home in on of the most beautiful places I can think of ,so come on vote YES

 

[bogtrotter]

Well we will all see soon enough I just glad I am in England ,Scotland Will be broke just like Spain Italy Greece ,witch is good for me as the houses the are not worth much now let's 150k Will bee worth naff all 80k and I can pick up a nice cheap holiday home in on of the most beautiful places I can think of ,so come on vote YES

Come home to a real fire, buy a holiday home in Scotland

 

[private fraser]

Come home to a real fire, buy a holiday home in Scotland

 

[wivenhoe65]

Its interesting what you can find out when prompted to start digging .
The Barnett formula ...........
"The persistence of per capita public expenditure lower in England than elsewhere continues to attract calls for the formula to be renegotiated. Using figures for the financial year 2006/2007,[SUP][4][/SUP] if a UK-wide per capita average were a notional 100%, identifiable per capita expenditure on services in England would be 97%, in Scotland 117%, in Wales 111% and in Northern Ireland 127% (this does not take account of non-identifiable expenditure, such as defence and debt interest, which are deemed to be for the benefit of the entire UK, regardless as to where the money is actually spent). In cash, this would work out as (per person):[SUP][5][/SUP]

• England £7,121
• Scotland £8,623
• Wales £8,139
• Northern Ireland £9,385

As these variations were not ever a consciously decided policy of the Treasury or Parliament, this inequality has been cited as a reason for reform. Moreover, the erosion of these differences over time is not just slow, but halting. For example the trend in Scottish identifiable expenditure as a percentage of English from 2001/2002 to 2006/2007 was: 121.3%, 120.6%, 120.3%, 117.1%, 119.7%, 121.1%.[SUP][5][/SUP] Some estimate that these differences should disappear in 30 years, but that is by no means evident from recent data.
The population of England is 83% of the population of the UK. Instant abolition of the Barnett formula based on the above figures would result on an average UK expenditure of approximately £7,362. This would be a large decrease for each person in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland but an increase of less than 4% per person for England.
Although not subject to the Barnett formula, there are significant variations in identifiable spending between the regions of England:[SUP][5][/SUP]

• North East £8,177 – 111% of UK average identifiable expenditure
• North West £7,798 – 106%
• Yorkshire and Humberside £8,188 – 115%
• East Midlands £6,491 – 88%
• West Midlands £7,065 – 96%
• Eastern £6,144 – 83%
• London £8,704 – 124%
• South East £6,304 – 86%
• South West £8,677 – 121%
• "
• looks like i am going to have to start an Independence Movement for East Anglia
• and yes , we will be keeping OUR North Sea gas and offshore wind farm energy

 

[bogtrotter]

Lighten up pf it was not meant to be taken seriously, don't know if you remember the 1960s but I thought someone on here might have, in the 1960s there was a big movement for home rule in Wales
and there was a spate of holiday homes being set on fire, Welshmen being angry that their young people could not buy a home because rich English people were buying them up at prices the locals could not afford, much the same as what happened up here at the time.

I distinctly remember the news paper headline Come Home to a real fire buy a holiday home in Wales.

Again one of those things the public pick up on, and the phrase was heard a lot for a time.

Thought somebody would pick up on it ,but maybe those on here are either to young to remember
or have short memories,either way nothing sinister intended.

 

[gerarddwatts]

Anyone who says's its not about eck and the SNP is deluding himself.

Its ALL about eck and the SNP.

They will be steering the whole independence machine should there be a yes vote; to try and pretend otherwise is dishonest.

The fact is now that institution after institution, be they banks, insurance companies or even Weir pumps have stated their intention to move if there is a yes. International observers have ALL said that it would be economic suicide.

Scotland already has a massively bloated public sector....it cannot afford to lose 'wealth creators'. Nutters such as Sillars have already done their best to completely finish any chance of investment in Scotland.

Voters will need to wake up and smell the coffee on Thursday and reject this piece of nonsense.....which, by the way is not independence at all...how can it be when the B of E will control all the economic levers with no input from Scotland at all, and Saudi Arabia controls the oil market? If it were an honest proposal, they would be espousing their own independent currency; eck knows he has no chance of getting that past the voters so he is trying to create power via this sham.

I despair of some here...do they seriously want Macaskill in power in charge of fire-arms legislation???

Think about it.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Well if you're going to join the cult leader Salmond in his quest for ego driven power then you going to drink his coolade.... it's just a disaster that you're votes risk the future my children might have to live with.