exmarksman9870
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well i got rid of my .17hmr set up and done a one for one for a .223,,,not keen on all the bad reports on the .17hmr....
Another .17 HMR incident : HSE Informed
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Kano383
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In case it has not been mentioned earlier in the thread (did not read all 11 pages, sorry...!): CCI manufactures .17 HMR ammo for Hornady, Remington, and Federal... Bullets and loads specifications may vary, but if there is a problem with a batch of brass or primer it may affect any or all of the brands.
If CCI manufactures ammo for most brands. Are the cases made in the US or produced
in china or in Asia, or they may get the brass billets from an overseas supplier ?? I
believe all avenue's should be checked.
I also had split cases in my Remington Express Core-Lokt >.303.
I have inspected the rest of my remmy ammo and have not found any more damaged
rounds. I did obtain 3 packets of this ammo some months back.
NOTE I always try to keep my fired brass. that is how I found the damaged cases. In my
case there has notbeen a hang or missfire.
in china or in Asia, or they may get the brass billets from an overseas supplier ?? I
believe all avenue's should be checked.
I also had split cases in my Remington Express Core-Lokt >.303.
I have inspected the rest of my remmy ammo and have not found any more damaged
rounds. I did obtain 3 packets of this ammo some months back.
NOTE I always try to keep my fired brass. that is how I found the damaged cases. In my
case there has notbeen a hang or missfire.
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NorthDorset
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I'm on to a box of Remington now. No brass issues but not great consistency either. Good enough for our plague of Myxi bunnies though.
Glad your mate was on his game Bananaman.
Glad your mate was on his game Bananaman.
The deer man
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SUGGEST THE FOLLOWING IS READ BEFORE YOU CHOOSE THE 17HMR AMMO YOU BUY - TAKEN FROM PAGE 8 IN JULY!
THE LATEST WINCHESTER AMMO MAY JUST BE THE ANSWER?
Originally Posted by 243 fallow 
I been told not sure how true that all 17 hmr ammo is made by cci , if this is the case then do other makes of ammo suffer the same problem ? Apart from what ive seen on this forum i dont know of any one who has had problems. Over the years ive had several misfires with 12 bore cartridges from various manufacturers but never felt the need to change calibers.
Does anyone read posts on here!
Winchester make their own 17HMR ammo and as far as I am concerned they have never misfired with me unlike the others. I believe Winchester is not made by CCI like all the other brands produced under CCI.
So hello, knock knock everyone don't use the other brands and then just maybe CCi, Hornady, Remington, Federal etc. will get the message! Vote the crap off with your wallets and stop bloody complaining about the 17HMR. As a calibre it's a good round.
Originally Posted by bewsher500
Winchester misfire and produce squibs just like the others:
Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.
I agree it is a great round
shame the ammo is so bad
Yes agreed, Winchester did have a problem and had a major recall as advertised on their website, the first in 2009. The following was posted by Muir yesterday. . .
"Winchester does make their own 17HMR. I think this is the result of being saddled with some crap ammo from CCI/Hornady that cause the first recall of 17HMR about 5-6 years ago. It all had the Winchester label on the box and Winchester bore the brunt of the recall cost and resulting sales decline.~Muir"
I read your spreadsheet and the dates of the Winchester failures were two years ago plus. I would imagine this was original faulty ammunition that never got returned. I have been using the Winchester ammo now for just over a year and had no problems at all. Interestingly we have collected and saved a load of cases off our range and found plenty of split Remington and Hornady cases but no split Winchester cases going back over the last year.
It would be interesting to hear peoples experiences of the solely made by Winchester ammo (Olin Corp) since 2012 because at the moment after a couple of thousand rounds I'm happy with it.
THE LATEST WINCHESTER AMMO MAY JUST BE THE ANSWER?
I been told not sure how true that all 17 hmr ammo is made by cci , if this is the case then do other makes of ammo suffer the same problem ? Apart from what ive seen on this forum i dont know of any one who has had problems. Over the years ive had several misfires with 12 bore cartridges from various manufacturers but never felt the need to change calibers.
Does anyone read posts on here!
Winchester make their own 17HMR ammo and as far as I am concerned they have never misfired with me unlike the others. I believe Winchester is not made by CCI like all the other brands produced under CCI.
So hello, knock knock everyone don't use the other brands and then just maybe CCi, Hornady, Remington, Federal etc. will get the message! Vote the crap off with your wallets and stop bloody complaining about the 17HMR. As a calibre it's a good round.
Winchester misfire and produce squibs just like the others:
Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.
I agree it is a great round
shame the ammo is so bad
Yes agreed, Winchester did have a problem and had a major recall as advertised on their website, the first in 2009. The following was posted by Muir yesterday. . .
"Winchester does make their own 17HMR. I think this is the result of being saddled with some crap ammo from CCI/Hornady that cause the first recall of 17HMR about 5-6 years ago. It all had the Winchester label on the box and Winchester bore the brunt of the recall cost and resulting sales decline.~Muir"
I read your spreadsheet and the dates of the Winchester failures were two years ago plus. I would imagine this was original faulty ammunition that never got returned. I have been using the Winchester ammo now for just over a year and had no problems at all. Interestingly we have collected and saved a load of cases off our range and found plenty of split Remington and Hornady cases but no split Winchester cases going back over the last year.
It would be interesting to hear peoples experiences of the solely made by Winchester ammo (Olin Corp) since 2012 because at the moment after a couple of thousand rounds I'm happy with it.
NorthDorset
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Buddy suggest you read my previous posts then. 2 years and several 100's rounds in now and not a single issue with the .17 HMR. Split necks in non reloadable brass not exactly an issue. Slightly inferior performance in the Remington ammo compared to the "same factory" Federal.
It's hardly Henny Penny time. For Christ's sake remember you are British man!
If you don't know your misfire drill then join a club and learn them.
The .17HMR is a cracking calibre that's earned a spot in my cabinet and there it's staying.
It's hardly Henny Penny time. For Christ's sake remember you are British man!
If you don't know your misfire drill then join a club and learn them.
The .17HMR is a cracking calibre that's earned a spot in my cabinet and there it's staying.
Alan Maughan
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hybridfiat
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I haven't got an exciting .17HMR story to tell but it is a bit of a mystery. I bought 2 50 round boxes of CCI V-Max .22WMR rounds to try, I havn't used the high velocity types of the 22 mag before. So I cut through the label to slide the lid off and tipped 5 out and lo and behold one of them is a .17HMR?!
Bonus! thought I, I now have one for the collection. Turned it over and it is a Hornady .17HMR not CCI?! So how did it get into my brand new sealed box of .22WMRs? I didn't take it back because I don't have a license for a .17 and here in WA that means the shop is duty bound to keep it.
My thoughts on the .17 HMR troubles are that if you create a rimfire cartridge the dances on the edge of the abyss don't be surprised if bad things happen. Rimfires are made en masse and less care goes into them when compared to the centrefire cases. There is obviously no margin for error built into either the rifle or the cases and this is one high pressure case for a rimfire.
I've witnessed a Martini Cadet in .22 K Hornet fired with a cleaning rod left in the bore! No damage apart from ringing ears and acute embarrassment. Never found the rod.
Bonus! thought I, I now have one for the collection. Turned it over and it is a Hornady .17HMR not CCI?! So how did it get into my brand new sealed box of .22WMRs? I didn't take it back because I don't have a license for a .17 and here in WA that means the shop is duty bound to keep it.
My thoughts on the .17 HMR troubles are that if you create a rimfire cartridge the dances on the edge of the abyss don't be surprised if bad things happen. Rimfires are made en masse and less care goes into them when compared to the centrefire cases. There is obviously no margin for error built into either the rifle or the cases and this is one high pressure case for a rimfire.
I've witnessed a Martini Cadet in .22 K Hornet fired with a cleaning rod left in the bore! No damage apart from ringing ears and acute embarrassment. Never found the rod.
8x57
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"I've witnessed a Martini Cadet in .22 K Hornet fired with a cleaning rod left in the bore! No damage apart from ringing ears and acute embarrassment. Never found the rod."
How was the cleaning rod left in the bore?
Were they cleaning the rifle from the muzzle because they couldn't be bothered to drop the action, or were they removing a stuck case perhaps?
Regarding the Hornady and CCI 17hmr cuckoo in the nest, it just goes to prove the fact that regardless of what some people say about one brand of 17hmr being better and more reliable than another they are all made on the same production line and just badged (head stamped) differently.
What does annoy me and it has happened several times now is buying a box of .308 bullets and finding when you come to reload two or three .270 bullets in the box. Not only have you been sold short but you have been given bullets that you may not have authority to possess (U.K. legislation).
How was the cleaning rod left in the bore?
Were they cleaning the rifle from the muzzle because they couldn't be bothered to drop the action, or were they removing a stuck case perhaps?
Regarding the Hornady and CCI 17hmr cuckoo in the nest, it just goes to prove the fact that regardless of what some people say about one brand of 17hmr being better and more reliable than another they are all made on the same production line and just badged (head stamped) differently.
What does annoy me and it has happened several times now is buying a box of .308 bullets and finding when you come to reload two or three .270 bullets in the box. Not only have you been sold short but you have been given bullets that you may not have authority to possess (U.K. legislation).
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hybridfiat
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They were using the rod to knock sticky shells out. (Overloaded obviously). A 10" section came unscrewed and stayed there. They loaded the next round and BANG! It was obvious something had happened even without seeing the shooter staring mutely at his rifle, the noise was way loader than a 22 Hornet has a right to be. Lucky for them it was aluminium not brass.
Quite so... but you still have to remove the bullet stuck a few inches up the barrel.
I don't have any other rifles that require you to keep a cleaning rod handy. In fact that's a major reason why I don't have an HMR in my cabinet any more.
If the post-2012 Winchester ammo has a lower failure rate and good accuracy I might be persuaded back, but with the .17 RFB working well, and a major decline in the local rabbit population over the last couple of years, I'm not sure what the point would be.
jimmy milnes
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Sold mine due to this issue
Regards
Jimmy
Regards
Jimmy
NorthDorset
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Any bullet from any manufacturer can fail to fire.
If you are not prepared to clear your rifle in the field it will end your days shooting. That could be quite an expensive oversight if you are not prepared. Same applies to stumbling and getting a plug of dirt in the barrel.
A rod is a handy thing to carry.
I'm enjoying the .17 HMR but nobody is twisting your arm. I'm not seeing anything that would prevent me from continuing to enjoy this calibre.
My rabbit population is in decline too. [emoji111]️
If you are not prepared to clear your rifle in the field it will end your days shooting. That could be quite an expensive oversight if you are not prepared. Same applies to stumbling and getting a plug of dirt in the barrel.
A rod is a handy thing to carry.
I'm enjoying the .17 HMR but nobody is twisting your arm. I'm not seeing anything that would prevent me from continuing to enjoy this calibre.
My rabbit population is in decline too. [emoji111]️
Same goes for me too
True. Except it has been my evident good luck never to have had a round in any other calibre leave a bullet stuck in my barrel (even .22LR squibs have squirted it out of the end).
I usually just remove the moderator, tap it out or run the thing through with a twig, and carry on.
Useful? (Once in a blue moon) Handy? (Never - unless you use a BP musket and it doubles as a ramrod)
I'm sorry to hear that. Is your population decline HMR-assisted? (Mine seems to have happened all on its own.
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True. Except it has been my evident good luck never to have had a round in any other calibre leave a bullet stuck in my barrel (even .22LR squibs have squirted it out of the end).
There is a picture somewhere of a 303 with a bullet stuck in the barrel, but that bullet was fired by another rifle.
I'm sorry to hear that. Is your population decline HMR-assisted? (Mine seems to have happened all on its own.
Be careful using HMR on bunnies, I think i have created a new super rabbit strain with a very very nervous disposition
NorthDorset
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Takes no effort to have a rod in your rifle bag. Hell I don't take Binoculars lamping (another thread) but a cleaning kit goes everywhere.
Not saved me but has saved a buddy with a .223 mid bore.
My stalking rifle is still unmoderated. I did plug it on one occasion and found a shotgun muzzle full of crud once as my slip lining and foam had disintegrated at the bottom.
Bunny-wise we have a bad dose of Myxi doing the rounds. My HMR has been on humanitarian duties a lot of late.
Not saved me but has saved a buddy with a .223 mid bore.
My stalking rifle is still unmoderated. I did plug it on one occasion and found a shotgun muzzle full of crud once as my slip lining and foam had disintegrated at the bottom.
Bunny-wise we have a bad dose of Myxi doing the rounds. My HMR has been on humanitarian duties a lot of late.
Danny rem mag
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Just a quick overdue update, rifle got sent to Edgar Bros and was checked over and bullet and shell case removed from barrel and shell case base removed from bolt face. No damage what so ever apparently in their words "CZ 452 varmints are built like brick shithouses"! New mag supplied plus shipping, grand total £98. Got in touch with the MD at GMK who import CCI ammo and sent them a copy of the bill and photo of ammo box (for batch number) and a week later received a cheque from them for the full amount! Top fellas. And of course lesson learnt!
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