Another .17 HMR incident : HSE Informed

[25 Sharps]

no worries bud

just dropped it to £500 collected on that other forum, not seen a lot of action but I am not selling it for nout

have a good one bud

bob.

Think the problem you have Bob is there's several about that are £150/£200 cheaper, they're just too far away for me. They may have a few minor dings etc but that doesn't really matter for a rifle that's going to be leant against stone walls etc.
I can wait, not in a rush

Plenty of HMRs about for around the £300.00 mark with a Sak Mod, but Bob's price is pretty good when you consider the quality of the mod and the £135.00 worth of ammo!

 

[Klenchblaize]

What is the limiting factor in terms of accuracy in a rimfire rifle?

= http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/

When the 17HMR can demonstrate something approaching even a third of the ammunition choice available to the 22LR owner I might take a second look at one. That may of course beg a further question or two!

K

 

[Woodsmoke]

I can't even begin to think how tedious that testing must've been...........55 different types of .22 ammo????

So.....that works out at 4125 shots fired at 3 different ranges with some mystical Bleiker beast with god-knows what hop-ups on it. Then they make the statement '.22LR rimfire ammo may work well in one gun and not another' which, to my mind renders their entire effort a complete waste of time

As with anything, familiarity, technique and practice is what brings results in the real world, I reckon

 

[NorthDorset]

.22Lr is great but seriously for vermin work with pinpoint accuracy without compensation for bullet drop out to 120m the .17hmr is a stone cold killer.

It's just too easy!

 

[Klenchblaize]

I can't even begin to think how tedious that testing must've been...........55 different types of .22 ammo????

So.....that works out at 4125 shots fired at 3 different ranges with some mystical Bleiker beast with god-knows what hop-ups on it. Then they make the statement '.22LR rimfire ammo may work well in one gun and not another' which, to my mind renders their entire effort a complete waste of time

As with anything, familiarity, technique and practice is what brings results in the real world, I reckon

That was the thrust of my post allied to the much wider choice of top quality 22 rimfire ammo that will allow you to find the right one for your rifle.

Why should a 17HMR barrel be any less choosy??

That a 17HMR has the potential to be a great 100 yard rifle compared to what a 22 rimfire may consistently achieve at the same distance is of no relevance to my point. I'm not advocating one over the other.

Put another way is not the 17 rimfire simply handicapped by a less than ideal selection of high quality reliable ammo?

K

 

[bobjs]

Plenty of HMRs about for around the £300.00 mark with a Sak Mod, but Bob's price is pretty good when you consider the quality of the mod and the £135.00 worth of ammo!

Thank you,

I think it's a great deal, the dm80 mod is new and unused,the ammo was about £140 so that to me makes the rifle and scope and rings around the £250 and throw in a spare stock it all adds up to a good deal. So much so that I have an interested party on another forum,

Regards

Bob.

 

[NorthDorset]

That was the thrust of my post allied to the much wider choice of top quality 22 rimfire ammo that will allow you to find the right one for your rifle.

Why should a 17HMR barrel be any less choosy??

That a 17HMR has the potential to be a great 100 yard rifle compared to what a 22 rimfire may consistently achieve at the same distance is of no relevance to my point. I'm not advocating one over the other.

Put another way is not the 17 rimfire simply handicapped by a less than ideal selection of high quality reliable ammo?

K

Klenchblaize not sure if you are deliberately missing my point?

The variation in bullet trajectory for my .17 HMR from 30 to 200 metres is say 8"

The variation in bullet trajectory for my .22lr from 30 to 200 metres is 50"

So I can shoot a rabbit at 30 metres or 200m by sticking my crosshairs on its head.

With a .22lr I have to estimate distance at night and then apply a heap of hold over. While I'm calculating that Mr Nibbles has headed for the hedgerow.

.17 HMR - drop dead zero on a bunny head- 120 metres.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Klenchblaize not sure if you are deliberately missing my point?

The variation in bullet trajectory for my .17 HMR from 30 to 200 metres is say 8"

The variation in bullet trajectory for my .22lr from 30 to 200 metres is 50"

So I can shoot a rabbit at 30 metres or 200m by sticking my crosshairs on its head.

With a .22lr I have to estimate distance at night and then apply a heap of hold over. While I'm calculating that Mr Nibbles has headed for the hedgerow.

.17 HMR - drop dead zero on a bunny head- 120 metres.

I should have said "may not consistently achieve.......".

To be clear I'm not suggesting a 22 rimfire is competition for a 17HMR at 120 yards. Just that ammo for this newbie has yet to peak in terms of accuracy potential as so clearly the 22 rimfire has.

K

 

[NorthDorset]

I think a lot has been said about .17hmr ammo here. All I can say is I must be awfully lucky.

In terms of choice between .22lr and .17hmr ammo supply is really not a major factor. Relative cost and noise levels certainly govern my choice of what comes out of the safe but because of it's simply brilliant usability the .17 HMR is my go too gun. My Sako Finnfire even with its Zeiss Conquest sits in my cabinet hardly used. (Gorgeous though)

 

[bobjs]

I think a lot has been said about .17hmr ammo here. All I can say is I must be awfully lucky.

In terms of choice between .22lr and .17hmr ammo supply is really not a major factor. Relative cost and noise levels certainly govern my choice of what comes out of the safe but because of it's simply brilliant usability the .17 HMR is my go too gun. My Sako Finnfire even with its Zeiss Conquest sits in my cabinet hardly used. (Gorgeous though)

I also have to say that my findings with all the 17s I have had are all great, and I have not had a 22 lr in my cabinet for the best part of 5 years, and to be totally honest I will never have another in my cabinet, that's is just my own thing but I just don't think they are worth the slot on both my ticket or in my cabinet,

And if I had a current use for my 17 then it would be staying, but I dont need it and have no areas that restrict me from using what caliber I choose out of what I have left in the cabinet,

Bob,

 

[artisansportsman]

i have recently acquired a weihrauch hw j 60 new , after two boxes of hornady 17 grain ammo i got three miss fires one night while out rabbiting unaware of these problems i carried on reloading and shooting . thank god they just didn't fire , i looked online & noticed it's a big problem so i took the ammo back to the suppliers were i purchased it from & they did't seem to think it was a problem ,he said it's my bolt that needs cleaning when i said i had only used one hundred rounds the riffle is new they replaced the ammo but said it didn't matter as they were all from the same batch & no one else had complained ? i now use a different supplier who was much more helpful . needless to say i will strip & clean the bolt & examine every round with a magnifying glass , seems to take a bit of the fun out of this 17hmr though.

 

[Muir]

i have recently acquired a weihrauch hw j 60 new , after two boxes of hornady 17 grain ammo i got three miss fires one night while out rabbiting unaware of these problems i carried on reloading and shooting . thank god they just didn't fire , i looked online & noticed it's a big problem so i took the ammo back to the suppliers were i purchased it from & they did't seem to think it was a problem ,he said it's my bolt that needs cleaning when i said i had only used one hundred rounds the riffle is new they replaced the ammo but said it didn't matter as they were all from the same batch & no one else had complained ? i now use a different supplier who was much more helpful . needless to say i will strip & clean the bolt & examine every round with a magnifying glass , seems to take a bit of the fun out of this 17hmr though.

The fun left the HMR years ago.~Muir

 

[The Singing Stalker]

It ain't the bolt.

 

[baguio]

Whilst I keep hearing that it's all made in the same factory the Hornady name keeps cropping up far more often than the others. I have always used federal and whilst I clearly don't fire as many as a lot of you guys I am yet to have a miss fire. Avoid Hornady ammo and the problem will be drastically reduced it appears.
Baguio

 

[xavierdoc]

Whilst I keep hearing that it's all made in the same factory the Hornady name keeps cropping up far more often than the others. I have always used federal and whilst I clearly don't fire as many as a lot of you guys I am yet to have a miss fire. Avoid Hornady ammo and the problem will be drastically reduced it appears.
Baguio

You might be right but you are making the assumption that equal quantities of each brand are being bought and used.

It is possible that Hornady is being used more than other brands (I've used it more than any other brand because it has been available at my usual RFDs) and so more failures have been reported. In which case, the proportion of failures of Hornady ammo would be no higher than other brands. It might even be lower. We cannot know without better data.

This sort of assumption is a classic error when incomplete "data" is used to form conclusions. Mainstream media are fond of building stories around similar incomplete or unrepresentative data.

 

[Muir]

You might be right but you are making the assumption that equal quantities of each brand are being bought and used.

It is possible that Hornady is being used more than other brands (I've used it more than any other brand because it has been available at my usual RFDs) and so more failures have been reported. In which case, the proportion of failures of Hornady ammo would be no higher than other brands. It might even be lower. We cannot know without better data.

This sort of assumption is a classic error when incomplete "data" is used to form conclusions. Mainstream media are fond of building stories around similar incomplete or unrepresentative data.

You are 100% correct. Hornady-branded ammo is probably 80% of the total production. It is the cheapest and most widely available here in the States. It is quite literally, everywhere, and sometimes sells for less than a 50 round box of 22LR. I have three 17HMR's and can't say I've shot a round through any of them in 5 years.

All non-Winchester 17HMR ammo is made from the same brass, on the same machines.~Muir

 

[jb7x57]

My mates ruger has been tested at the proof house London, Nothing at fault with the gun cci ammo at fault, GMK the importers have confirmed this with cci and they are paying for all the repairs to his ruger rifle by Viking arms,

 

[artisansportsman]

Iv'e had the magnifying glass out this afternoon & guess what in one box of 50 hornady - 17 gr v max two split rounds & one that looked slightly mushed around the neck , i must check them all before use,hopefully this problem will be solved sooner rather than later as i have no intention of getting rid of this riffle .

 

[Muir]

Iv'e had the magnifying glass out this afternoon & guess what in one box of 50 hornady - 17 gr v max two split rounds & one that looked slightly mushed around the neck , i must check them all before use,hopefully this problem will be solved sooner rather than later as i have no intention of getting rid of this riffle .

The problem has been going on for some years now and is no closer to being 'sorted' than is was two years back. Get used to inspecting ammo branded Hornady, Federal, Remington. or CCI. Only Winchester makes their own 17HMR -or at least that was the Press. There is suspicion that they too are having brass problems as the eagerly awaited 17WSM rimfire has had splits and failures and is currently unavailable. I'd laughingly tell you to buy a 22WMR but we can't get ammo for that, either! ~Muir

(The worst part is that often the problem comes from a completely normal looking cartridge. If you shoot with a moderator, make sure that unexplained "misses" aren't a bullet lodged a few inches ahead of the chamber that never made it out the barrel.)

 

[The deer man]

The early Winchester 17HMR did have problems like the rest however once they started making it themselves it is the only ammo I've used that appears OK.