Why some deer stalkers are their own worst enemies!!!
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Crosshair243
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Sounds like you're a little bit ashamed of what you do?
Besides, Stalking is way more interesting than yet another Iron Man or Tough Mudder post
Perhaps some of your friends might be intrigued to learn more about what you do when you go shooting?
Besides, David Attenborough has been bringing gore-fests into people's living rooms for decades
Nature ain't all picnic baskets and bluebells you know!!
Sounds like you're a little bit ashamed of what you do?
Besides, Stalking is way more interesting than yet another Iron Man or Tough Mudder post
Perhaps some of your friends might be intrigued to learn more about what you do when you go shooting?
Besides, David Attenborough has been bringing gore-fests into people's living rooms for decades
Nature ain't all picnic baskets and bluebells you know!!
I am very happy with what I do, but there is no need to ram it down other peoples throats.
jamross65
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So first two are considered warped and last photo is not considered a penis extension???? Just so I'm clear...lol
Crosshair243
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They can always unfollow you if they don't like it. Why edit your life to suit their image? It's almost like people get off on Stalking being risqué. Why not use your feed as a sounding board for the great benefits Stalking brings?
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The first two are great pictures and I'm sure memories of a great stalk, I have a few that are almost as good, but did you post them of Facebook?
The third picture is a water cooled BMW R1200GS, 2013/2014 vintage. If it had been a GSA like mine it would definitely be a penis extension
jamross65
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The first two are great pictures and I'm sure memories of a great stalk, I have a few that are almost as good, but did you post them of Facebook?
The third picture is a water cooled BMW R1200GS, 2013/2014 vintage. If it had been a GSA like mine it would definitely be a penis extension
I did Nigel, on the Scottish Roe Stalking Group. Guests bucks from last week. Nothing gets interest going like a good photo. And I'd admit to not putting gory pictures up. In fact I wouldn't even take one of any head shot deer or foxes I've killed. But we can't hide behind what we do. I've a lot of friends on FB, and probably most are through shooting and stalking so I know my audience I suppose.
And as for a GSA, I agree! When was the last time you spent 400miles in a saddle non stop that the huge tank between your legs allows you to do???!!!
I did Nigel, on the Scottish Roe Stalking Group. Guests bucks from last week. Nothing gets interest going like a good photo. And I'd admit to not putting gory pictures up. In fact I wouldn't even take one of any head shot deer or foxes I've killed. But we can't hide behind what we do. I've a lot of friends on FB, and probably most are through shooting and stalking so I know my audience I suppose.
And as for a GSA, I agree! When was the last time you spent 400miles in a saddle non stop that the huge tank between your legs allows you to do???!!!
Only got it last week. Exeter and back next week which is close to 500 miles. Might even need to fill up on the way. The arse shouldn't cause too much trouble. Used to 180 km runs on a Tri bike so the big wide comfy seat for a few hours should be a walk in the park. It is a bloody weapon though!
Presume you know them well?
shotguntom
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Its all a matter of context in my opinion.
Taking photos is a great way to remember a stalk or trip and help preserve it in our memory. I don't think there is anything wrong with posting such pictures on Facebook, however, I would agree that pictures of dead deer with heads missing or a very gory picture should not be posted on social media, or even pictures where the poster claims of his great triumph shooting a deer at over 250m.
It projects negative images of what we do and why we do it. It may well be presenting the truth of what happens in certain scenarios but in times where we come under ever more scrutiny it provides wood for the fire. It our responsibility to present our sport in the best light possible and certain pictures posted on social media do not achieve this. By all means post and share your pictures but do it tastefully with an understanding of other views and opinions.
It is a shame the amount of people posting pictures of dead deer and trophy bucks/ stags on forums and social media and have no interest at all in taking pictures of live deer as they are all to eager to pull the trigger. I always carry a camera whilst stalking and have far more pictures of live deer than dead ones, they provide great memories and images of some of the areas of ground I have been lucky enough to stalk.
Taking photos is a great way to remember a stalk or trip and help preserve it in our memory. I don't think there is anything wrong with posting such pictures on Facebook, however, I would agree that pictures of dead deer with heads missing or a very gory picture should not be posted on social media, or even pictures where the poster claims of his great triumph shooting a deer at over 250m.
It projects negative images of what we do and why we do it. It may well be presenting the truth of what happens in certain scenarios but in times where we come under ever more scrutiny it provides wood for the fire. It our responsibility to present our sport in the best light possible and certain pictures posted on social media do not achieve this. By all means post and share your pictures but do it tastefully with an understanding of other views and opinions.
It is a shame the amount of people posting pictures of dead deer and trophy bucks/ stags on forums and social media and have no interest at all in taking pictures of live deer as they are all to eager to pull the trigger. I always carry a camera whilst stalking and have far more pictures of live deer than dead ones, they provide great memories and images of some of the areas of ground I have been lucky enough to stalk.
Also camo. Not just wearing camo in the photos but everywhere they go. One of the associations I'm in has a "style guide" which forbids camo in any photos or public appearances. If you want to dress like a mall ninja do it in private & make sure that there is no links back to the association.
Sharkey
jamross65
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Hereford
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I'm of the opinion that if you want the 'middle' anti-swayed majority to respect what you do, then more field-to-fork photography would reset the context.
It's really very simple in this country:
• Post pics of yourself in camo and/or with guns on (more widely accessed) social media, and you look like Michael Ryan.... Nuff said....
• Post pics / videos of any animal with you blowing its head apart, then you look like a sick individual - this is what the anti's peddle so you play straight into their hands - and then it reflects badly on the rest of us.....
• Post pics of you (and chums) in your technical tweed blatting 10 bells of sh!te out of driven game and you'll elevate and alienate yourself - you are just underpinning the age old 'us and them' stance and this don't help either....
or, you could....
• Post a decent, respectful (as many on here do) grassed photo - then a skillfull butchery shot - then a nice sausage making / loin frying / casserole bubbling shot - then you're in Ray Mears/Bear Grylles/Phil Vickery/Heston/Oliver etc etc territory..... don't see many objections then as they tuck in at their local gastro pub.....
Thats the way to show people how and why we do what we love - and if the anti's still complain (which they will, albeit in smaller numbers as the group sympathy won't be there), offer them the chance to show us how it's done in a commercial abattoir - that usually shuts them up as a single shot to the engine room is clearly better than electric shock, strung-up and throat cut to bleed out.
Pretty vile really, the commercial meat industry, although this has remained fairly well hidden out of sight and out of mind through necessity of supply, price and demand. Nonetheless, overt displays of gratuitous, disrespectful hunting images does nothing to help our already 'on the back foot' position.
In my opinion, hunting where there is necessity to control a problem or to put food on the table is as ethical as it gets and I'll defend this position every day I am alive (and my kids will too). What I cannot do is defend 'Mall Ninjas' (good term) who act within our sport like pr!cks....
It's really very simple in this country:
• Post pics of yourself in camo and/or with guns on (more widely accessed) social media, and you look like Michael Ryan.... Nuff said....
• Post pics / videos of any animal with you blowing its head apart, then you look like a sick individual - this is what the anti's peddle so you play straight into their hands - and then it reflects badly on the rest of us.....
• Post pics of you (and chums) in your technical tweed blatting 10 bells of sh!te out of driven game and you'll elevate and alienate yourself - you are just underpinning the age old 'us and them' stance and this don't help either....
or, you could....
• Post a decent, respectful (as many on here do) grassed photo - then a skillfull butchery shot - then a nice sausage making / loin frying / casserole bubbling shot - then you're in Ray Mears/Bear Grylles/Phil Vickery/Heston/Oliver etc etc territory..... don't see many objections then as they tuck in at their local gastro pub.....
Thats the way to show people how and why we do what we love - and if the anti's still complain (which they will, albeit in smaller numbers as the group sympathy won't be there), offer them the chance to show us how it's done in a commercial abattoir - that usually shuts them up as a single shot to the engine room is clearly better than electric shock, strung-up and throat cut to bleed out.
Pretty vile really, the commercial meat industry, although this has remained fairly well hidden out of sight and out of mind through necessity of supply, price and demand. Nonetheless, overt displays of gratuitous, disrespectful hunting images does nothing to help our already 'on the back foot' position.
In my opinion, hunting where there is necessity to control a problem or to put food on the table is as ethical as it gets and I'll defend this position every day I am alive (and my kids will too). What I cannot do is defend 'Mall Ninjas' (good term) who act within our sport like pr!cks....
This is only ever of concern to hunters who consider themselves & their ethics to be superior to that others. IMO so long as its done legally & humanly Mr & Mrs Average wouldn't be too concerned at all about "park deer" being killed. In fact I'd bet that many would, if given an ethical choice, choose venison from a "park deer" than a truly wild & free one.
Sharkey
PS
Heres a wee story about the damage the "fair chase ethics brigade" has started. The oxymoron & term "canned hunting" was first coined by hunters as a dysphemism against enclosed game reserves. It has now become the standard for the anti hunting brigade & has been used successfully by them to restrict the international hunting industry, even the free range hunting of species like lions. This sort of thinking, that animals taken in game reserves or parks are somehow a threat to hunting is a self fulfilling prophesy of those who advocate this set of ethics? Yes, they are the threat.
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The above comment was made with reference to the perception that the continental hunters show more respect for the quarry. But I think that blasting away at driven quarry with scant regard for a humane kill is not showing any respect at all. The horns and rituals seem a bit hollow to me in that sort of hunt. Most videos I have seen of driven boar quite often show three and four shots being taken to finally bring the animal to a stop. However, at least the quarry is butchered and ends up on the table.
But on this very site we were invited to participate in American feral pig eradication using choppers and semi-automatic rifles. Pigs were unceremoniously strafed and left for dead, whether the death was long and lingering or not. Given the vastness of the territory being covered, the dead and dying beasts were left for the coyotes. Cue adverts for chopper hunts of packs of well fed coyotes?
I did wonder what such activity has to do with STALKING. There was plenty of admiration and excitement being commented upon with respect to the videos. I wondered where the respect for quarry was in all of this. But I also wondered whether any genuine stalkers would abandon their ethics as the planes lift off from Heathrow, and regenerate them as they landed on their return? Just wondering.
But perhaps this STALKING DIRECTORY needs to cater for that sort of thing. There are other forms of hunting and shooting than deer-stalking but I would rather they were catered for on other sites more suited to that sort of clientele. Sadly, it appears anything goes.
I got caught out on a walked up partridge shoot once when it tipped down and the only leggings I had were camo ones the keeper relented and let me ware them.Next time I made sure I had packed a plain pair.
NorthDorset
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No issue with a photo.
Largely agree with Hereford above.
It doesn't matter what we think as a group of field sport enthusiasts, it matters what the public perception of our sport is.
Many of you do post very respectful photos and for clarity that does not include gore and comedy reposing.
I do occasionally photograph my prize but I'd never post it on the interweb.
I appreciate the Germanic way of honouring the days take but we have our own traditions and they will only stay our traditions while we practice them.
Largely agree with Hereford above.
It doesn't matter what we think as a group of field sport enthusiasts, it matters what the public perception of our sport is.
Many of you do post very respectful photos and for clarity that does not include gore and comedy reposing.
I do occasionally photograph my prize but I'd never post it on the interweb.
I appreciate the Germanic way of honouring the days take but we have our own traditions and they will only stay our traditions while we practice them.
FrenchieBoy
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Mike, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but did Jellen Deer Services not post a video on Youtube a few years ago showing deer being head shot, and if my memory serves me well it was a "pretty graphic video"! (I've just had a look through Youtube but can't find it now, maybe you removed it) If I am right then surely your original post on this thread is somewhat hypocritical!
Personally I do not have a problem with head shooting deer while out on "Park/Farm Culls" but I would not want to post any photos of head shot deer on any Internet Forum, FaceBook or Social Media, I don't think it is necessary and doesn't make a very "pretty" or pleasing photo to look at!
One of the problems we face is that on some Shooting Related Forums whenever there is a post about some sort of a memorable shoot/shot you get no end of posts simply saying "Got any photos of that?" (I have to admit that The Stalking Directory is not so bad in that respect as many others)
I recently had a video of some rabbit shooting removed by Youtube as it was said to be too graphic and not in good taste!
