2130martin
Well-Known Member
Since when did UNCLE SAM sign our checks????............they were a typical Labour government and the Tories need to be typical and clear it up.......just look at history....
Explain for an Outsider - election outcome
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Since when did UNCLE SAM sign our checks????............they were a typical Labour government and the Tories need to be typical and clear it up.......just look at history....
Some interesting stats from BBC Newsbeat:
[TABLE="width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]Party
[/TD]
[TD]Votes
[/TD]
[TD]Seats[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Conservative[/TD]
[TD]11.1m[/TD]
[TD]325[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Labour[/TD]
[TD]9.2m[/TD]
[TD]229[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SNP[/TD]
[TD]1.5m[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LibDem[/TD]
[TD]2.4m[/TD]
[TD]8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Plaid Cymru[/TD]
[TD]181.7k[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]UKIP[/TD]
[TD]3.8m[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Green[/TD]
[TD]1.2m[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
These votes have come from across the spectrum of what are typically seen as "divides" such as class, race, orientation and religion.
It's no bad thing for us - and the politicians - to remember that.
[TABLE="width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]Party
[/TD]
[TD]Votes
[/TD]
[TD]Seats[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Conservative[/TD]
[TD]11.1m[/TD]
[TD]325[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Labour[/TD]
[TD]9.2m[/TD]
[TD]229[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SNP[/TD]
[TD]1.5m[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LibDem[/TD]
[TD]2.4m[/TD]
[TD]8
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Plaid Cymru[/TD]
[TD]181.7k[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]UKIP[/TD]
[TD]3.8m[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Green[/TD]
[TD]1.2m[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
These votes have come from across the spectrum of what are typically seen as "divides" such as class, race, orientation and religion.
It's no bad thing for us - and the politicians - to remember that.
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bewsher500
Well-Known Member
So as they are now the majority political representatives for the people of Scotland you don't think that will be point one on page one on Monday?
Say what you like about them, they have played a very shrewd game splitting the country down the middle (or near enough), pulling on millennia old stigma and hatred of the "Auld Enemy"
The problem I have with them is that they have not one ounce of historical credibility in running a council let alone a country.
They only want Independence for themselves, to put them on the world stage.
Anything else you think about equality is a pipe dream
Equality ....this from the women ruling 5m people who now has a ****ing helicopter!
if I thought my life would get better as a result of an independent Scotland I would be fully behind it.
As for the racism that we dare not speak of....I have seen cars keyed and windows smashed as a result of political persuasions.
You may not see that in darkest Perthshire but it is here in the cities.
I dread to think what wee Jimmy Krankie and Eck will get up to now they think they have the UK on the run.
So only twenty two million out of a possible electorate of fifty million?
Democracy alive and well!
bewsher500
Well-Known Member
Look at the numbers in bold and tell me that computes!!
56 seats for 1.5m votes!!
UKIP get twice as many votes and get 1 seat!!
Pine Marten
Well-Known Member
I've made a chart because that's the sort of guy I am...
Yoda
Actually the numbers add up to just a shade under 30m and represent a turnout of around 66%, which is supposedly the highest turnout since 1997.
Everyone has the opportunity to vote. Choosing not to is also part of a democracy, but people know how things work so those who don't vote are in no position to complain about the result.
The result is exactly what you say - democracy at work.
It computes, even if it doesn't make sense.
Proposals for boundary changes to make voting fairer were vetoed in the last Parliament.
Lib Dems vote with Labour to reject constituency boundary review | Politics | The Guardian
I'd expect to see that discussion to come back into the open.
Totally agree with your statement
That's why democracy leads to a dictatorship which is exactly what we've got for the next 5 years.
I wonder how many of the missing thirty four percent would have voted tory. I would put my life on it that it would be very few
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And if you look at votes required per seat:
Conservative - 34,154
Labour - 40,175
SNP - 26,786
LibDem - 300,000
Plaid Cymru - 60,567
UKIP - 3,800,000
Green - 1,200,000
Average - 47,162
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Right....a majority of 5 somehow classifies as a dictatorship
1997, Labour majority of 88
2001, Labour majority of 83
2005, Labour majority of 31
2010, no party had an overall majority
If today's result is a dictatorship, what did you call those? A benevolent dictatorship perhaps
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Then you're a brave man....or perhaps just wildly optimistic in thinking all those anonymous voters somehow magically shared your political opinions.
I have no idea how those people would have voted, and neither do you.
The point is that they had every opportunity to vote and they chose not to. They have only themselves to blame if "the wrong party won" and whinging about it for the next five years will achieve.....absolutely nothing. If they don't like the result, maybe it will inspire them to get off their backsides and vote at the next election, and I would see that as a good thing, even if "my" party lost as a result. I didn't like the fact we had Labour governments for years, but I didn't spend the intervening years saying how it was all so unfair. That's democracy for you, and it just happens to be a darn sight better than any of the alternatives.
You're right, of course. David Cameron couldn't inspire them to vote, but then neither could Ed Milliband, Nicola Sturgeon, Nigel Farage, Nick Clegg, Natalie Bennett or even Russell Brand
Maybe that's something we would all do well to remember.
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Pine Marten
Well-Known Member
Good to see you “drilling” into the detail PM!
K
Thanks for bringing up a happier topic! The drilling and I are off stalking tomorrow, so hopefully I'll have something more fun to write about this weekend.
Right....a majority of 5 somehow classifies as a dictatorship
1997, Labour majority of 88
2001, Labour majority of 83
2005, Labour majority of 31
2010, no party had an overall majority
If today's result is a dictatorship, what did you call those?
Dictatorships for sure
You are missing the point. Until we have one hundred percent voting it will never be democratic
Sorry, I have to disagree.
A democracy - or at least a representative democracy such as ours - is where the power is vested in the people to freely elect their representatives as they see fit. So part of a democracy is also the ability to exercise the right not to vote.
Dictating to people that they have to vote is, by definition, not a democracy. The key is in the word "dictating". There's a strong argument that compulsory voting breaches the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and there are numerous groups who feel it is wrong to take part in political process.
That's why less than 30 countries still have laws on compulsory voting, with only 14 of those enforcing those laws.
Compulsory Voting | Voter Turnout | International IDEA
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Situation back to normal then, we will be governed by a party with an absolute majority in the house who were voted against by two thirds of the country. Just like Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher.
Even when the result is skewed away from the smaller parties towards the main parties by tactical voting, the views of 7.5m people being represented by only 13 seats does not seem like any form of logical democracy that I can understand.
I have always been distrustful of a system that favours party politics with unjustified swings and this result does nothing to assuage that. I did do the on-line questionnaire that Private Fraser posted in the other election thread. And discovered that according to that algorithm I was just left of centre with Lib Dem just edging it over a healthy blend of accord with policies espoused by all of the other parties on a pretty even-handed distribution. Is it any wonder why I think the German system of PR and their legislation through negotiation, consensus and cooperation for the good of the populace rather than the good of the party would be good for us as well?
This has been an excellent thread and I have enjoyed and learned from all of the posts. I had been so sceptical about the Goebbels/Machiavelian mantra that the previous Government had trotted out at every interview for the last five years...that it was "Labour's mess they had inherited" that I was quite prepared to believe the opposite….That it was Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher who had legislated the deregulation of the banks and thus the thirty years of boom with the occasional bust. So especial thank you to Bewsher500 for your balancing explanation.
Alan
PM is just relieved that he's not going to Jail after his exit pole, I was so looking forward to the title on that write up"In Which The Pine Martin Explains To Three Large Men In The Shower That The Soap Has Not Been Dropped"
Yes and when I said "bags I his nice drilling" I was only joking
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