Does DSC 2 open up more opportunities?

Money money money money money !!!

My biggest landowner is a billionare, and after putting in the time and effort to reduce the impact the deer is having on his private gardens and the 2000 acres estate, he seen the benefits and called me in for a chat.

He said is not fair for me to provide a service for him and not getting paid, so now i get paid a daily rate plus expenses (including fuel, ammo and various bits of equipment)

It was a requirement to have the DSC2 in order to gain this permission, so yeah, money well spent which now i got back more than 100 fold.
 
My biggest landowner is a billionare, and after putting in the time and effort to reduce the impact the deer is having on his private gardens and the 2000 acres estate, he seen the benefits and called me in for a chat.

He said is not fair for me to provide a service for him and not getting paid, so now i get paid a daily rate plus expenses (including fuel, ammo and various bits of equipment)

It was a requirement to have the DSC2 in order to gain this permission, so yeah, money well spent which now i got back more than 100 fold.
That's ok in the rich South not so in the poor North
 
That's ok in the rich South not so in the poor North
Counterpoint
I have an open invite to English heritage land in Co Durham via a friend
DSC1&2, insurance,manual handling course and efaw+f as a minimum

Nearly ticked it all off
Ironically not even sure there are many deer on the land
 
That’s an interesting statistic, I wasn’t aware of that. Can you quote the source please?
Personal experience of those with whom I trade and a long list of personal contacts who are full time Stalkers of note working professionally , The younger guys I know well still in their 30s in charge of premium estates ( and very good at what they do ) Are not even taking Level 2 . Its pointless ( one witnessed beast and it can be a fenced in for pities sake ) BASC Land on Aran you don't need a level 2 now .
Fenced in deer are not stalked they are quite bluntly killed ! but you can shoot / murder one and do a fair enough gralloch and you can get your level 2 ! When i took it 3 beasts witnessed by an authorised witness , most of us put in more because the minimum count rang bells with the verifiers ( i did 5 all true wild free ranging Roe ) and my witness told me at the get go that he personally would not others i shot from a high seat .
My guess at why things changed ? Money being made not a better class of Stalker
Look at the amount of folks offering approvals and witnesses now advertising
 
W
Counterpoint
I have an open invite to English heritage land in Co Durham via a friend
DSC1&2, insurance,manual handling course and efaw+f as a minimum

Nearly ticked it all off
Ironically not even sure there are many deer on the land
Whereabouts in Durham?
 
Personally ...I enjoyed doing the DSC1 course back in 2013 and decided to do DSC2 this year. I wanted to get my standards up and learn a little bit more and this forced me into doing it. I appreciate those who had to do 3 stalks feel a little aggrieved but that's life I suppose.

Hopefully it will benefit me in the long run but lets see.

Do I think it makes me "better" then anyone without it...absolutely not. I have friends without it who have shot 1,000s of deer over their shooting careers and I have learnt a lot from them 👍
 
The answer is Yes, some FC land and syndicates require it.

How long do you expect to be stalking, as CPD (Continuing Professional Development) will ensure you staff upto date. DMQ2 is currently easier with only 1x stalk required, might it change in the future???
 
DSC1 and DSC2 are both important steps in the development of a stalker, but one shouldn't rest on one's laurels once one has got these certificates. Continuing Professional Development is essential, whether it be by -
  • Attending Best Practice events.
  • Attending BDS presentations.
  • Taking paid days out with other professionals.
  • Taking part in rifle competitions.
One of the exciting things about deer stalking is that there is always more to learn.

Regards

JCS
 
I did both because of my interest in deer stalking along with being told it would improve my chances of a deer calibre as it opened any doors recently had an lease invitation, bug generally speaking it’s still who you know s and how big your wallet is
 
That’s an interesting statistic, I wasn’t aware of that. Can you quote the source please?
In my case I was shooting/Culling Roe deer since I was 15, I'm now 83, and when I took my level 2 my AW was someone I had introduced to deer only a few years before and my assessor was another of those I introduced to deer a few years previous but he got his Assessorship because he was a Clerical Assistant and qualified as an assessor for his office work.
These same people are now the experts running training courses for people, who in some cases had been shooting/culling deer for years.
 
You are fortunate that they let you on, around here they complain about the damage and then refuse you permission to help them….
Do you know them the farmers? You can wave all the certificates in the world but many farmers need a recommendation from other farmers or known trusted contacts before they would think about letting some wander their land with an air rifle for rabbits let alone a rifle for deer.
Or do they already have someone but they just have to say no to you not give you an explanation.
 
From what I have seen those with DSC2 have a much higher understanding of hygiene than those with DSC1 (even those with the old DSC1 meat hygiene cert). Those with DSC2 seem to understand a lot better that carcasses should be clean and not have urine, poo milk stomach contents or mud all over them.
 
Personal experience of those with whom I trade and a long list of personal contacts who are full time Stalkers of note working professionally , The younger guys I know well still in their 30s in charge of premium estates ( and very good at what they do ) Are not even taking Level 2 . Its pointless ( one witnessed beast and it can be a fenced in for pities sake ) BASC Land on Aran you don't need a level 2 now .
Fenced in deer are not stalked they are quite bluntly killed ! but you can shoot / murder one and do a fair enough gralloch and you can get your level 2 ! When i took it 3 beasts witnessed by an authorised witness , most of us put in more because the minimum count rang bells with the verifiers ( i did 5 all true wild free ranging Roe ) and my witness told me at the get go that he personally would not others i shot from a high seat .
My guess at why things changed ? Money being made not a better class of Stalker
Look at the amount of folks offering approvals and witnesses now advertising
While I agree with you that an assessment involving 3 witnessed stalks is potentially more valuable than an assessment of only one, I strongly disagree with your opinion regarding "fenced in" deer (by which presumably you mean park deer?).

The DSC2 does not need to evaluate your ability to sneak through the undergrowth to get close to deer. What it does need to do is assess your ability to safely, humanely and hygienically produce carcasses suitable for the food chain. This can be assessed equally well, if not better, within the confines of a park.

Let's take a look at a few key aspects:

- Selection of suitable animal to cull: In the wild, you may only have a couple of deer in front of you from which to make your selection, so it's not difficult. In a park, you are likely to have a large group of animals in front of you, of both sexes, a full range of ages and varying body condition. Making an appropriate selection of a cull animal may be far more challenging than in the wild, so makes for a good opportunity to assess the candidate's knowledge and ability in this respect.

- Safety: The same, wherever you are.

- Shot placement: No different from in the wild, except that there may be the added difficulty that you might have to shoot an animal that's part of a tightly grouped herd, which is more challenging than most wild situations.

- Follow up: If things go wrong, they go wrong. You're going to have to deal with that wherever you are.

- Gralloch and carcass inspection: No different from wild deer.

- Lardering: Most deer parks will have larder facilities on site, which is a bonus as it gives the candidate an opportunity to demonstrate their knowledge of carcass handling and storage.

So, don't dismiss deer parks as a valuable resource for training and assessment purposes.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top