Beaters days just not for beaters?

chriswjx

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Recently saw a post on Facebook from a chap in London looking to buy 3 pegs on any beaters days... Poster has apparently bought his way onto many such days.

Is this big commercial places selling pegs like this? Can't see any (of the granted 3) estates that I help out on doing this...

Would feel quite uncomfortable at being a paying guest on what should feel like a social fun team party effectively.
 
Has happened for years,ever since I started keepering ☹️ some guests are land agent,feed suppliers,game farmers etc - basically palmed off onto the beaters day because they're not important enough to invite on the guvnor days 🤣
I have a strict policy of no beating no beaters day, helped me keep much the same team of guys for years. I've always worked on the premise that I could get any number of people up here with a gun to shoot but getting guys to be waist deep in cover all day in all weathers for not a lot is damned difficult! Just rewards for just such efforts.
Likewise with pigeon shooting and ferretting, only my beater lads get it.
 
Has happened for years,ever since I started keepering ☹️ some guests are land agent,feed suppliers,game farmers etc - basically palmed off onto the beaters day because they're not important enough to invite on the guvnor days 🤣
I have a strict policy of no beating no beaters day, helped me keep much the same team of guys for years. I've always worked on the premise that I could get any number of people up here with a gun to shoot but getting guys to be waist deep in cover all day in all weathers for not a lot is damned difficult! Just rewards for just such efforts.
Likewise with pigeon shooting and ferretting, only my beater lads get it.

To be fair, at least those folk have some connection to the actual shoot though!

Step up (small though it might be) from some random chap on Facebook asking to buy pegs...
 
Has happened for years,ever since I started keepering ☹️ some guests are land agent,feed suppliers,game farmers etc - basically palmed off onto the beaters day because they're not important enough to invite on the guvnor days 🤣
I have a strict policy of no beating no beaters day, helped me keep much the same team of guys for years. I've always worked on the premise that I could get any number of people up here with a gun to shoot but getting guys to be waist deep in cover all day in all weathers for not a lot is damned difficult! Just rewards for just such efforts.
Likewise with pigeon shooting and ferretting, only my beater lads get it.

Same here - beaters day for beaters/ flaggers
Had it in the past where a beater wanted to gift or sell a day - No chance
 
As above, ive walked miles and worked dogs in all weathers for a few shoots, when beaters day comes around more strangers than beaters.
I now only give my time to me if I get spare time am raking myself or out stalking.
I did enjoy shooting strangers birds as they lifted the gun 🤣
 
Outrageous behaviour. The only guns on beaters' days ought to be beaters, pickers up, their offspring, their guest etc. And guns who don't turn out to beat for the beaters should have a very pressing reason or be sufficiently disabled.
A good team of beaters makes a good shoot. And ****y behaviour from shoot managers ruins a shoot.
 
Outrageous behaviour. The only guns on beaters' days ought to be beaters, pickers up, their offspring, their guest etc. And guns who don't turn out to beat for the beaters should have a very pressing reason or be sufficiently disabled.
A good team of beaters makes a good shoot. And ****y behaviour from shoot managers ruins a shoot.
When I was an under keeper the syndicate all turned up with guns and cartridges to chaperone anyone who didn't have gun and give a little safety direction to any inexperienced shots, followed by a big slap up meal and a free bar.
 
Recently saw a post on Facebook from a chap in London looking to buy 3 pegs on any beaters days... Poster has apparently bought his way onto many such days.

Is this big commercial places selling pegs like this? Can't see any (of the granted 3) estates that I help out on doing this...

Would feel quite uncomfortable at being a paying guest on what should feel like a social fun team party effectively.

Sounds like a good way for an estate to lose its beaters. If there are spare pegs on beaters day then fair enough, but most shoots I’ve been involved with the beaters day is oversubscribed and places are awarded based on number of days attended during the season.
 
When I was an under keeper the syndicate all turned up with guns and cartridges to chaperone anyone who didn't have gun and give a little safety direction to any inexperienced shots, followed by a big slap up meal and a free bar.
Quite right too. All our beaters know how to shoot and their inexperienced relatives are welcome, chaperoned by the beater if necessary. The catering on all days is basic but is the same as provided to guest guns. The regular guns take care of themselves. Everyone sits at the same tables and mixes. I think quite a few of the tradesmen beaters consequently get worthwhile amounts of work through connections made with various guns and guests.
 
I had a season, pre-covid, on a syndicate where we had a even had couple of two hundred bird days and shot twice a week. Saturday the main shoot and weekdays as boundary days. They had a beaters' day. To which I turned up and was asked if I had bought a gun (to shoot with) as if I should have done so. To which I replied "No. It's beaters' day. I am here to beat for them. Not to shoot." Which was also the case...the guns never brought a gun on beaters' day...on the first syndicate i was a member of in the late 1980s.
 
I've never seen a days shooting turn so sour as when I once attended a 'Beaters Day' on what was one of Englands premier shooting Estates.

The day started well with plenty of banter and pee-taking between the 'guns' with much merriment and comradely laughter throughout those assembled.
Lots were drawn to divide folk into 2 groups who would beat and shoot alternately. Then, as the 'guns' approached the first line a Range Rover appeared and spewed forth the eldest son and heir to the title and the Estate along with his shotgun. In quick order he made it plain that he was only going to shoot and settled onto a peg.
Feathers were ruffled. Hackles went up, and the banter stopped like someone had had pulled a plug out of somewhere.
The day continued in a very sombre mood, only lifted briefly when at one point #1 Son lowered his gun because the cock going over was "Far too high" ... only for it to be killed stone dead in the air by the adjacent gun (who had the balls to do it and the brains to say not a single word on the matter until much later :lol: )

I'm no fan of pheasant shooting (if you sport with a 12g try pigeons), but if you're going to have a day "For the boys", leave them to have their day !
 
Never sen it at any shoot I’ve been to and no keeper I work with would think about selling a peg on a beaters / keepers day.

I know a few syndicate guns who will sell their days and would likely sell their space on a beaters day but they are the hight of rudeness and I’d be making loud comments if I had been there
 
First off, I hope he gets the day he deserves!

Keeper I went beating with for many years reared his own birds so we had a ‘beaters week’ to shoot as many cock birds as we could - when he did the main drives on the Saturday there was a clamour from the guys who’d only been beating once to come along so he sold pegs to them & their mates for £100 each (this was back in the 80s). The rest of us knew exactly what was going on & were encouraged to make sure the birds flew the right way 😉 & that we made sure we called ‘back’ to let the back guns know the birds that’d been put up weren’t going forward 😝

On the other days there was always an old chap, well call him ‘Mick’, who’d show up & ask where the easiest place to walk was as he had a buggered knee - he got shot on a deer drive because he’d sneaked forward from where he was placed to somewhere he thought was better & put himself in the line of fire, paying the price. He’d walk along the bottom of banks, just behind the beating line, or down a ride stopping back. He was a very good shot, he shot a lot of clays, but wasn’t much good at picking up the dead birds that seemed to fold just as he was about to raise his gun to them - “sorry Mick didn’t realise you were there” 🤣

That keepers last job was in a small family shoot run for the farmer, it was a cracking bit of ground but by end of December birds were wondering so Boxing Day the keeper arranged a day to shoot the outside woods where he knew the birds would be gone if not shot. This started out as a perk for the beaters, by the end of January there weren’t many birds around so it was an early beaters day, but he always asked the boss if he wanted to shoot. The boss was old school & appreciated being asked but knew what was being done so always politely declined.

Roll on a few years & when the boss got asked as usual his son said he’d like to go - he was about 16/17 at the time & this was agreed. Come the day, not only was the son there, along with Dad to keep an eye on him, but there were 7 other ‘guns’ - all his mates, who would be standing or back gunning the standing guns when it was the beaters turn to shoot… really 🤔. My how we laughed 🤬 It wasn’t long before the beaters who were due to shoot were relegated to back guns where they were able to demonstrate just how much better shots they were than the ‘guns’ - being polite it was ‘eye wiping’ but the reality was it was deliberate poaching 😝

The Boxing Day shoot then became a family day & beaters were invited to bring a gun instead of getting paid for beating, most gave apologies for having family round etc & didn’t bother going. Others took the poaching to higher levels & on one occasion ‘someone’ not only poached a bird that was way out in front of the gun line but dropped it at the bosses feet. After the drive the boss walked over to the keeper & said “someone over there can shoot” as if to say ‘have a word with him will you’ - the reply was brilliantly delivered “yeah, he’s done it once or twice” 😂

I’m sure the beaters on whichever shoot the guy goes to will make him welcome & give him a memorable day 👍
 
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