Natural Environment Bill Guest Stalking

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Looks like the new NE Bill will is going to be passed into law.

From my reading what does this mean going forward for guests and recreational stalking?

So it seems the following .

Any Guest who are Novice or do not have their DSC1 and on the Fit and Competent Register will have to be accompanied by someone who is on the fit and competent register and has their DSC1.

And

For unaccompanied stalking in Scotland you MUST have a minimum of DSC1 and also be on the fit and Competent register .

This is no matter if you have your own land or not .

What does this mean for everyone?

Whondoes it really effect?

Most people I know have at least their DSC1, up until now you only needed to be on the Fit and Competent Register if you were doing licensable activities such as night shooting but then you had to be DSC2 certified in most cases, some cases DSC1 was suffice, (Now it is a point blank you have to have DSC2 to have a night or OOS license)

With all the hype thats being going on about this side of the bill then who does it effect really?

Anyways wondering how this will all pan out .

Also it seems there is going to be a removal of the Venison Dealers License . I think this is brilliant.
 
Looks like I'll have to sign up for the fit and competent register. Have DSC1 and able to take deer on our own croft but also had permission ftom the tenants of the two adjacent crofts. We've significant deer pressure on our common grazings so registering will be mandatory if I want to take advantage of the associated legislative changes. It'll put an end to my unaccompanied stalks elsewhere too.
 
The removal of the VDL is a step forward but doesn’t really make much of a difference other than removing a layer of bureaucracy.

As is the case just now, if you are buying in deer carcasses from other stalkers and have NOT been involved in the hunting process of said deer you will need to be an AGHE to lawfully purchase and process them regardless of the trained hunter status of the stalker who has shot the deer.
 
As someone who enjoys a (paid) days stalking and who doesn't have a) my own rifle and b) my DSC1 - the legislation won't make any difference to me. I will still go out stalking with a stalker and thus be accompanied by a " responsible" adult at all times....
However the legislation will have kept any number of key civil servants in a job and they will have had endless working groups/parties to sit on and then they will present it to a minister so he/she will be able to stand up in Holyrood and parrot on about how the Government are "doing" something.
Anything rather than doing something of real benefit to Society as a whole!:banghead:
 
Bavarianbrit said:
So no overseas stalking guests to be allowed alone on the hill in Scotland?
(For unaccompanied stalking in Scotland you MUST have a minimum of DSC1 and also be on the fit and Competent register.)
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Probably that is correct, but is it DSC1 only or is it DSC1 or equivalent. On the hill stalking though is really a two man occupation especially when it comes to the recovery. There is also the little of licensing of firearms and loan or visitors firearms permits.

I don’t really DSC1 being a big barrier. Most Firearms Licensing now pretty much insists on DSC1 to get a FAC. Having DSC1 you have assessed over your ability ti shoot a rifle and handle it safely, you also have to be able to identify different deer species and disease, understand the basics of carcass preparation and handling, and a good knowledge of the law.

However, given the number of times very basic questions are asked, one does wonder with DSC1 education is simply passing a test, or whether it sinks in and stays.

Fit and competent register - upload your DSC1 and 2 and a bit about your stalking experience and you are registered. If you don’t have the above, then you need two references from experienced stalkers to vouch for you.
 
I have had a read through it and I cannot see what section is stipulating an individual has to have DSC1 as a minimum or be registered fit and competent to carry out deer stalking. It does mention it, as it had done before, that these are required for the OOS on improved land or woodland or night shooting licenses being issued. I can't see how this will hamper unaccompanied stalking on any ground as long as in the "employ" of the land owner. I might be reading it wrong though.

The Venison dealer piece, can someone explain how that would affect me if I was to start selling Venison now as opposed to before they scrapped it.
 
Bavarianbrit said:
So no overseas stalking guests to be allowed alone on the hill in Scotland?
(For unaccompanied stalking in Scotland you MUST have a minimum of DSC1 and also be on the fit and Competent register.)
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Do you not have to have a boar shooting course to shoot boar in Germany? Might be wrong but if that is the case it isn’t any different??
 
Selous said:
Do you not have to have a boar shooting course to shoot boar in Germany? Might be wrong but if that is the case it isn’t any different??
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My experience in Germany, which does I think vary depending state you are in, is that a visitors Jagdschein (hunting license) you need to possess the equivalent in your own country. I have used my firearm certificate and DSC1 and 2. With a visitors Jagshein you are then allowed to be on a highseat or a driven hunt stand on your own.

If you don’t possess such things, you can still but you have to be the instruction of somebody with a full Jagdschein who is there as your “loader” but whose real job is to supervise and make sure that you are safe.
 
Heym SR20 said:
My experience in Germany, which does I think vary depending state you are in, is that a visitors Jagdschein (hunting license) you need to possess the equivalent in your own country. I have used my firearm certificate and DSC1 and 2. With a visitors Jagshein you are then allowed to be on a highseat or a driven hunt stand on your own.

If you don’t possess such things, you can still but you have to be the instruction of somebody with a full Jagdschein who is there as your “loader” but whose real job is to supervise and make sure that you are safe.
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Thanks for the clarification. Sounds similar to what is proposed in Scotland
 
Nowhere in the bill does it require either a dsc or to be on the fit and competent register to shoot deer.

You need these to gain OOS license etc, but that’s not changed
 
Heym SR20 said:
Probably that is correct, but is it DSC1 only or is it DSC1 or equivalent. On the hill stalking though is really a two man occupation especially when it comes to the recovery. There is also the little of licensing of firearms and loan or visitors firearms permits.

I don’t really DSC1 being a big barrier. Most Firearms Licensing now pretty much insists on DSC1 to get a FAC. Having DSC1 you have assessed over your ability ti shoot a rifle and handle it safely, you also have to be able to identify different deer species and disease, understand the basics of carcass preparation and handling, and a good knowledge of the law.

However, given the number of times very basic questions are asked, one does wonder with DSC1 education is simply passing a test, or whether it sinks in and stays.

Fit and competent register - upload your DSC1 and 2 and a bit about your stalking experience and you are registered. If you don’t have the above, then you need two references from experienced stalkers to vouch for you.
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I’m against this and always have been. Your fitness to own a firearm is decided when you are issued an fac.

The rest is nonsense. It’s pest control so the same humane issues apply to rabbits , birds etc etc. Fancy having to be on a register to shoot squirrels?
 
DMc88 said:
The Venison dealer piece, can someone explain how that would affect me if I was to start selling Venison now as opposed to before they scrapped it.
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Until the legislative changes are made, section 36 of the Deer (Scotland) Act 1996 would apply if you were to sell venison without a venison dealers license.

Deer (Scotland) Act 1996

An Act to consolidate the legislation relating to deer in Scotland.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk
 
@theroedeerguy said:
The removal of the VDL is a step forward but doesn’t really make much of a difference other than removing a layer of bureaucracy.

As is the case just now, if you are buying in deer carcasses from other stalkers and have NOT been involved in the hunting process of said deer you will need to be an AGHE to lawfully purchase and process them regardless of the trained hunter status of the stalker who has shot the deer.
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Makes a difference to anyone that processes their own carcasses for local sale, as they won't have to shell out £300 for a licence!
 
For night shooting with a DSC1 . You need two DSC2 referees so you can be put on the fit and competence register. Unless that's changed
 
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