Sold: Single Gun Lease Near Dundee
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My 2p is that £5000 a year + VAT is one paid stalk every fortnight with a guaranteed (or as much as can be) animal even if roe or muntjac or one paid accompanied stalk "on the hill" a month in the parts of the year when the weather is benign on a very decent red or sika or roe.
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Nots so bad lad
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All the leases and syndicates he advertises are thousands off pounds , if someone pays good luck to them on 750 arces
unfortunately for the working man there are plenty of people with the level of income to pay for something like this. They will probably have the additional cost of frequent trips from the south of England in their new Defender and accommodation costs on top. They will then complain when they struggle to find a game dealer and are offered £1/kg when they do
Maybe that’s a reflection of what the price has to be to make some money on it and all the other economics are out. ie he/they need to see £6k for it to make any sense but to the stalker that’s £6k to shoot a valueless beast so we can’t make it work economically. Dunno.
If you own the 750 acres you don’t really need your share of the £6k. So why bother unless there are trees needing protected.
was meant to say £10 PER ACRE...
And they wonder why theres too many deer in scotland
Tom102938
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Although way out of my price league, if you do the maths it isnt beyond a break even.
£6600 for the lease inc VAT. Thats your stalking for the year.
Take clients out, £150 an outing x 44 clients for the year thats your money back. Probably wont get 44 clients out in the year if you dont have a credible background for deer on the land but even if you get 22 clients out thats 50% of your spend back and then you still have sole stalking, carcass value etc.
If you have the initially outly and theres a good number of deer on there then its not too bad.
Again way out of my depths in a lease but it is doable
£6600 for the lease inc VAT. Thats your stalking for the year.
Take clients out, £150 an outing x 44 clients for the year thats your money back. Probably wont get 44 clients out in the year if you dont have a credible background for deer on the land but even if you get 22 clients out thats 50% of your spend back and then you still have sole stalking, carcass value etc.
If you have the initially outly and theres a good number of deer on there then its not too bad.
Again way out of my depths in a lease but it is doable
I like the comments and yes personally for me I couldnt afford it so I wouldn't.
I have had loads of enquiries and a list of definite wants for this property. I am still awaiting the owners decision on it as he/she was dubious about allowing any stalking on it at all, they like the deer.
The cost of the stalking was entirely to offset some of the compulsory replanting that needs done after some of the trees are filled, so financially noone is making a profit from this. Tbats the honest truth, and its not going to be commercially culled. I will take the odd trip down to monitor replant for browsing and I will coordinate back to the syndicate member if there's a problem.. No cull targets are set etc .
I did read a comment t that everything I advertise is 1000's . Actually not true I do have a small block that is sold at 800 plus vat per gun and there's complaints about that too .
I have learned over years of doing this that no matter what the cost of stalking is people complain it is too much.
Land is not free, land is not cheap to manage, and those who do have land will understand you are legally obliged to manage that land. Many stalkers expect stalking for free, its not going to happen. I know areas where farmers are charging guns to shoot foxes, which for many of us that sounds absurd but its a fact, I know a guy who pays £2000 for a property he is only allowed to shoot foxes and pigeons on.
The cost is the cost .
I do envisage a sad future though where recreational stalking will not exist in Scotland at all and Englabd wont be too far behind.
I try my best to keep people shooting but I also understand that for some people that is not appreciated but I still offer on this forum first the opportunities I come across.
One of my clients last year shot 40 stags on one of our properties, calculate how much that would cost in a day stalk scenario, that is also more stags than the average Highland estate shoots yearly.
Anyways hope you are all well.
Regards
DT
I have had loads of enquiries and a list of definite wants for this property. I am still awaiting the owners decision on it as he/she was dubious about allowing any stalking on it at all, they like the deer.
The cost of the stalking was entirely to offset some of the compulsory replanting that needs done after some of the trees are filled, so financially noone is making a profit from this. Tbats the honest truth, and its not going to be commercially culled. I will take the odd trip down to monitor replant for browsing and I will coordinate back to the syndicate member if there's a problem.. No cull targets are set etc .
I did read a comment t that everything I advertise is 1000's . Actually not true I do have a small block that is sold at 800 plus vat per gun and there's complaints about that too .
I have learned over years of doing this that no matter what the cost of stalking is people complain it is too much.
Land is not free, land is not cheap to manage, and those who do have land will understand you are legally obliged to manage that land. Many stalkers expect stalking for free, its not going to happen. I know areas where farmers are charging guns to shoot foxes, which for many of us that sounds absurd but its a fact, I know a guy who pays £2000 for a property he is only allowed to shoot foxes and pigeons on.
The cost is the cost .
I do envisage a sad future though where recreational stalking will not exist in Scotland at all and Englabd wont be too far behind.
I try my best to keep people shooting but I also understand that for some people that is not appreciated but I still offer on this forum first the opportunities I come across.
One of my clients last year shot 40 stags on one of our properties, calculate how much that would cost in a day stalk scenario, that is also more stags than the average Highland estate shoots yearly.
Anyways hope you are all well.
Regards
DT
Deerhunter22
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I do agree to the fact Stalking is not free but I’m personally sick of incredibly selfish folks taking on 20k acres etc in all different places. Now if I had 20k acres to shoot I’d never complain course I wouldn’t but to my mind it’s just greed, how much land does one person need for some sporting fun ? Why is a block of 1200 acres not enough to have sport and manage for good bucks etc ?
But I don’t blame people for taking it when it comes up but I personally have not got 1000’s to pay out on stalking so I can shoot deer and I can see the trajectory of Scotland where land is being acquired by people with cash who then never shoot it and it’s just selfish. I know someone with 40k acres ? Like wtf who needs that and they guide folks on 10 of them
but like life if someone’s willing to pay that’s the way it is. So yeh I find it absurd anyone would pay that money for 750 acres but then if you got the cash for that your either stupid or loaded with cash and it doesn’t matter.
But I think some stalkers need to be fair and thinking about what do they really need and give others a chance. I’d never in a million years pay to shoot someone’s foxes, if you are then your off your rocker
See so much moaning on here about “we need more people in deer stalking” and “lands expensive” well if your gonna hand 7k over for 800 acres your crazy but like anything that sets the status quo as it tells the market it’s obtainable
Anyways good luck my digs weren’t at you personally but at the community tbh. I’m young got into deer stalking and it’s next to impossible, in a syndicate that I’ve seen **** all deer on tbh in over a year n you just think might give up. But a lovely guy on here gave me the chance to help them out so I might get a chance to break into this game but we shall see.
I know a guy with 40k acres, one with near 20 and another with 16 the latter two are solo stalkers and shoot twice a year if that, grinds my gears
but how many other things in life are exactly the same?
Deerhunter22
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I know and that’s why I said it is what it is in ,other words. It’s always the same, it’s why you pay stupid prices in supermarkets. They bought up all the market and your trapped and it out everyone else out of business
I see the same happening here with deer stalking, there will be the minority who buy up all the land and make a killing selling it as syndicates or keeping it for themselves. That’s what will happen and it will be the end of deer stalking exactly what the gov would love less license holders is there wet dream
I’ve said my bit but is what it is, f all I can do about it. But I look forward to all the moaning and complaining of people in the future about lack of shooters etc, it’s only us as collective shooting ourselves in the foot.
I’m happy to pay to stalk but there’s no bloody land to begin with cause you got people buying up all the leases all over the UK. Geez I’ve land by me leased by two English lads the farmer says he’s no been up for a year n a half. I’m literally a 2 minute drive. That kinda stuff is hard to no be frustrated at tbh but meh
Well I have plans to live elsewhere anyways in the future where you can hunt public land so hopefully my worrys will be over in that regards.
Can’t do **** all in the UK without forking out a life’s savings these days
Half the issue is legislation .
Landowners have to make culls and keep the government happy and in over 20 years experience with dealing syndicates rarely do syndicates make cull figures and in fact they are always reluctant to do so as they want to see deer everytime they go out.
There is a situation we find ourselves in. Even if you own land its not really up to you how you manage it . You cant build what you want when you want , you cant keep over a sustainable level of deer because thats beyond requirement, you are legally responsible for managing it, even cutting your hedge in summer time around your garden comes with problems if done wrongly.
To limit responsibility landowners now dont put out to multiple local individuals to do as they like, they contract the management out and that costs too, but, those managers take responsibility for the whole land management leaving the owner to be just the owner.
I have not met a recreational stalker that has the time to shoot 200 plus deer per year and often the case that is what is required on larger properties. Now this property isnt quite like that but it still has considerable management costs and requirements, its all trying to balance it out
Landowners have to make culls and keep the government happy and in over 20 years experience with dealing syndicates rarely do syndicates make cull figures and in fact they are always reluctant to do so as they want to see deer everytime they go out.
There is a situation we find ourselves in. Even if you own land its not really up to you how you manage it . You cant build what you want when you want , you cant keep over a sustainable level of deer because thats beyond requirement, you are legally responsible for managing it, even cutting your hedge in summer time around your garden comes with problems if done wrongly.
To limit responsibility landowners now dont put out to multiple local individuals to do as they like, they contract the management out and that costs too, but, those managers take responsibility for the whole land management leaving the owner to be just the owner.
I have not met a recreational stalker that has the time to shoot 200 plus deer per year and often the case that is what is required on larger properties. Now this property isnt quite like that but it still has considerable management costs and requirements, its all trying to balance it out
Doesn't help people who spend stupid money to leave bucks/stags for the rut. Taking ground up and cherry picking the odd one or two, no effort made on does or hinds.
I, like many others, have absolutely no issue with grafting to get numbers down on a syndicate. In fact, I take great pleasure in it because I enjoy shooting deer. Bin off the trophy hunters, let shooters shoot. We're ultimately doing the land owner a 'favour' by shooting, let alone paying for it.
Nickb
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Be careful you are not allowed to enjoy yourself .
Cranks me up cos they are running about oot my back window
Nots so bad lad
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Greed and more greed where deer stalking is concerned with the majority off these so called agents they can talk and talk , bottom line most are just interested in how much they can make . That kill s it for a lot off newbies one reason I encourage and take people out for nothing
A while ago I put something on here offering a "novice day" for free to anyone who wanted to get into and in fact I held 4 or 5 days and all those days someone shot a deer, but 3 of the 4 days the guys were far kitted out better than me for being a Novice, turning up with high end rifles, scopes, binos etc, more money on product that I could ever afford and clearly able to pay if they needed to and a couple of them proclaimed they had shot stags in this place and that place so I stopped taking people out for nothing as the vast majority took the utter **** and then bad mouthed me behind my back so unfortunately I stopped taking people out with me for free unless I know them and trust them. I also had more than 1 instance where my free guest tried to or contacted landowners behind my back asking for shooting permission, embarrassingly for them they didnt realise how much work I actually put in for my landowners and the people I manage land for.
So there are elements on this forum that have spoiled it for the rest . I have also given stalking out for as little as £150 a day and people just complained or not willing to put the work in.
I also cannot take the point its about greed because I make nothing out of any of the stalking I do except my full ti.e work, which yes I shoot deer but, that is my job, your not going to deny me that surely as £30k a year is not a lot of money but obviously you think that people that shoot deer for a living should live on nothing.
One thing I have to say about all the comments I have seen over the years. Its ok for a mechanic to charge £85 per hour for labour then add 10% on each part price, its ok for a plumber to charge £92 per hour, its ok for an electrician to charge more than £100 per hour, but it is not ok for a deer stalker to charge for their time at less than £30 per hour ? Many people on this forum dont look at deer stalking as a real job, but, I have to pay the same taxes, pay for equipment and expenses and have to pay insurances etc and daily lease of ground. too . It is a real job with real cost and expense and then I have to pay the household bills with that money.
Please think about that all when you look at my adverts or others within this forum..
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