Moderators off ticket tomorrow then ..
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C h r i s
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8x57
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So that's two small victories for shooters now (expanding ammunition and sound moderators). Though the arguments reined on for many long years before common sense finally prevailed.
12gsnapcaps
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Via email? I'm also GMP and have had no Comms yet.
So all we need now is the lead ban to be reconsidered the 1 for 1 to be done away with a 10 year ticket to be introduced and of course pistols to be allowed again Perhaps in another life 
Heym SR20
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It will always take a wee while for directives to flow individuals on the front line and for change in procedures to be enacted.
If you read the home office directive as posted in 123 above all the questions regarding moderators for section 1 and for shotguns and air rifles becomes clear.
You do NOT need an FAC or SC to possess a moderator for an air rifle. However if you use it on a section 1 firearm and do not have appropriate license for such a firearm you are committing an offence.
As with any new UK legislation it will take time for a body of case law to be built up to determine how the courts deal with all the various ramifications of the new law.
I am sure that sooner or later someone will try to claim that a DPT Modular Non Magnum Centrefire Moderator is for an air rifle and thus he doesn’t need an FAC to possess it.
Even if all the markings are stampings are removed, simple measurements and comparison will soon clarify the matter. I suspect the defence would fail before the courts.
If you read the home office directive as posted in 123 above all the questions regarding moderators for section 1 and for shotguns and air rifles becomes clear.
You do NOT need an FAC or SC to possess a moderator for an air rifle. However if you use it on a section 1 firearm and do not have appropriate license for such a firearm you are committing an offence.
As with any new UK legislation it will take time for a body of case law to be built up to determine how the courts deal with all the various ramifications of the new law.
I am sure that sooner or later someone will try to claim that a DPT Modular Non Magnum Centrefire Moderator is for an air rifle and thus he doesn’t need an FAC to possess it.
Even if all the markings are stampings are removed, simple measurements and comparison will soon clarify the matter. I suspect the defence would fail before the courts.
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Heym SR20
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Thumbs and predictive text - now clarrified
6mmarc
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You won’t your not a dealer or club secretary
12gsnapcaps
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Maybe I self identify as a section 5 RFD?
I think they could (and should!) have taken the opportunity to fix a situation whereby if you are in possession of a moderator or flash hider without either an air rifle or a firearms certificate it potentially exposes you to unacceptable risk. There was a case (R vs Yong, IIRC) where a person had a flash hider which he claimed was for an airsoft pistol (amongst a sea of other things he shouldn't have had). They decided not to prosecute him on any of the other bits but prosecuted him for the flash hider and he was convicted. On appeal, the conviction was upheld with the upshot being that in future it will be up to the defence to argue that such "dual use" should be put before a jury for them to find on the facts of the case. They didn't make that argument at the time, so the appeal failed.
Smellydog
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Some laws just stop you from doing something not wrong as well, just because a committee somewhere didn't like it!like all laws if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
Mind you we do have a lot of laws
Sol
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I find it super unusual that they effectively decided too remove them from tickets overnight Is that not strange? I know we all knew It was coming, but I would of expected it too follow the changes Scotland seen in 2023 for ammunition restrictions and seasons and thermal imaging where It was informed a few months ahead, some changes separated by a month or so.
Now Is just a bunch of confusion between forces RDF's & people?
Now Is just a bunch of confusion between forces RDF's & people?
bluesako
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it takes a millisecond to send a message to someone around the world and west mercia needs time to catch up
It isn't really confusing. Basically the police service don't tend to jump until the the HO circular comes out.
The NPCC has known since Royal Assent to the Bill that it was coming and that there would be a HO circular. Simon Chesterman is, I think still the firearms lead for them, and really his staff officer could have been proactive about this to find out when the circular was coming and do some internal comms.
Policing is often a reactive service - and is generally very good at that - but often lets itself down on proactivity...... usually caused by having to spin too many plates at once and having to prioritise.
I don't think this will have been a priority for NPCC. May be a big thing for the shooting community but pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things for UK policing.
I suspect they will get their act together now the circular is out there.
The NPCC has known since Royal Assent to the Bill that it was coming and that there would be a HO circular. Simon Chesterman is, I think still the firearms lead for them, and really his staff officer could have been proactive about this to find out when the circular was coming and do some internal comms.
Policing is often a reactive service - and is generally very good at that - but often lets itself down on proactivity...... usually caused by having to spin too many plates at once and having to prioritise.
I don't think this will have been a priority for NPCC. May be a big thing for the shooting community but pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things for UK policing.
I suspect they will get their act together now the circular is out there.
As an aside, whats the current position on Proofing moderators in the context of the rifle its to be fiited to?
K
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In the back index of the Worshipful Co of Gunmakers London/Birmingham
pages 38/39 there is no index reference to Moderators
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