1 MOA at 1,000 yards

[Stalker62]

I have no idea of an equivalent, sorry. Looking at the 2023 burn rate chart, maybe V N540? But I have zero experience with Vit powders, since they are prohibitively expensive here in the US.

Did you do that deliberately?

Herewith is a 'cut & paste' from my powder charts (powders I have)...

 

[Muir]

Our range has MOA (and smaller) targets starting at 450 yards and running out to 2200 yards. I'm not certain what the excitement is about. One of the guys we shoot with has plunked himself down and busted the 1100 yard gong on the first shot more times than I can remember. I am not that good....
~Muir

 

[Ronin]

'Calibre' (I think you mean chambering) is near irrelevant.

Bullets are everything!

There is a reason why competition shooters (not extreme long range) are using smaller and smaller calibres.

A 6.5 mm bullet of around 140 grain weight has the potential to be more aerodynamic compared to a 7mm one of the same weight.

Now you have Hornady making 6mm bullets which have better ballistics than 6.5mm ones (109 grain ELDX shown on the left).

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If you can push a smaller calibre, more slippery bullet at a faster speed, you have an advantage.

There are several 6mm's in the video above

I think we all know the reason some competitive shooters are using 6mm is that the guns are usually heavy and with a low recoiling cartridge one can set the gun on a bag and shoot quickly - repeatably

It’s an art form in itself

One I struggle to master ,,,,

The term barricade benchrest has been used frequently in relation to this

 

[ChesterP]

I've taken my 308 24" heavy barrelled Tikka to Bisley and Warminster, shooting 190gr SMKs which are very tolerant through the transonic range. Tried 175's but they weren't up to 1moa at 1000 yds from the 24 inch barrel as at transonic the 175's were not that predictable or consistent as the TMKs or venerable 190smk. Regularly shot moa 10 shot groups in steady conditions at Warminster 900m range (984yds) using the 190's and using 175TMKs. The fact that factory rifles have got so good out of the box still impresses me and I'm what I'd class as an average shooter, albeit with many years of LR shooting under my belt now.

 

[aris]

I have the same rifle as Stalker1962.

Only shot it at 600 and 300 so far using 175SMK With vhit140. I will be doing 1000 this season with my club and will need to work up a load for that. I'm thinking SMK190 or the 185 Berger juggernaut (if they arrive on time via my back order with spud). I'm told that the slower Vhit150 may be a better bet For those heavier bullets.

Have a listen of this interview - .Luke Ramsey F/TR champ.



In fact binge watch the entire series on that channel where Erik Cortina interviews the who's who of the shooting world. Some amazing content.

As always @Laurie 's wisdom is always also good reading!

 

[Utectok]

Personally I’m happy if I can hit a 4” target at 300m every time… but I do love a bit of long range gong bashing even if I’m not very good at it.

 

[aris]

I've taken my 308 24" heavy barrelled Tikka to Bisley and Warminster, shooting 190gr SMKs which are very tolerant through the transonic range. Tried 175's but they weren't up to 1moa at 1000 yds from the 24 inch barrel as at transonic the 175's were not that predictable or consistent as the TMKs or venerable 190smk. Regularly shot moa 10 shot groups in steady conditions at Warminster 900m range (984yds) using the 190's and using 175TMKs. The fact that factory rifles have got so good out of the box still impresses me and I'm what I'd class as an average shooter, albeit with many years of LR shooting under my belt now.

What powder you using and what twist barrel?

 

[ChesterP]

N140 because it was what I had at the time, from a 24" 1/11 twist barrel. The 190smk is about as heavy as you can go with this barrel.

 

[angusb1]

I shoot Berger 185 hybrids in my 24" 1:11 twist with N150. Work well. My skill is the limiting factor.

 

[Laurie]

I shoot Berger 185 hybrids in my 24" 1:11 twist with N150. Work well.

Yes, this is an excellent 308 Win L-R match/target combination, likewise the older 185gn LRBT 'Juggernaut'. The introduction of the Juggernaut was a game-changer, and I'm never surprised by reports of continuing shortages and new deliveries from the US being sold out in days despite the several new 'improved' designs introduced in recent years.

The third factor for such combos is small primer / small flash-hole brass for range use only. Shame that Lapua has temporarily discontinued production because of the international military / security crisis. It is particularly well suited to Viht N150 (but not nearly as well-suited to N140 in 308 IME where I'd now use large primer cases).

1:11-inch twist is a tad 'slow' to be ballistically optimal for the very-long 185 Hybrid at 24-inch barrel 308 speeds, but if it shoots well, so what? (11 is ideal for the slightly shorter 185 Juggernaut.)

 

[aris]

Vhitavouri suggests these loads for the juggernaut. Any comments?

I have N140 and N150 on hand.



If I don’t get them in time, I’ll try the 190’s

 

[trickie]

I like the look of the 540 load

 

[aris]

Never tried double base powders. What are the pro’s and cons?

 

[User00040]

Never tried double base powders. What are the pro’s and cons?

Pro's:

Potentially faster muzzle velocities.

Con's:

Faster barrel wear

Potentially less temperature stable

 

[User00040]

Episode 2 now up

Some very expensive setups as per the last video but wind followed by operator error are the biggest factors!

The bloke shooting the AI performed very well , at least he had his bipod set correctly and wasn't trying to shoot the rifle off his clavicle like some of the other guys!

Creedmoor for the win!

 

[Ronin]

I’ll post a separate thread about this, but there is now an MOA challenge in the UK using a slightly different format

Still MOA but shot at increments of 100 mtrs out to 1000 (meters) then three further distances to 1500

The first event was held yesterday at Gardners Guns in southern Scotland and was a heap of fun

 

[Utectok]

Episode 2 now up

Some very expensive setups as per the last video but wind followed by operator error are the biggest factors!

The bloke shooting the AI performed very well , at least he had his bipod set correctly and wasn't trying to shoot the rifle off his clavicle like some of the other guys!

Creedmoor for the win!

What amazes me is the failure to adjust poa after impact? Maybe they don’t see the dust? Can’t you just measure the distance between impact and target with a ffp reticle then dial it? Or perhaps I’m missing something?

 

[User00040]

What amazes me is the failure to adjust poa after impact? Maybe they don’t see the dust? Can’t you just measure the distance between impact and target with a ffp reticle then dial it? Or perhaps I’m missing something?

The guys who are decent don't dial at all after setting the turret for range, they use the reticle and make adjustments from observing impacts.

Some of the guys who tried to dial wind were chasing their tail and never got close.

The Xmas tree type reticles come into their own here.

 

[Miki]

Hoots mon ... here you go @Slash Britsh people shooting at targets with non stalking style rifles at Gardner Guns in Southern Scotland.
Right up your street, you should be able to go there and beat everyone ?

MOA Challenge

Yesterday saw the first of a series of competitions called the MOA Challenge These are being held at Gardner Guns in Southern Scotland at one of the ranges there The Challenge sits perfectly as a test of a rifleman’s skill to use their weapon effectively shooting MOA targets from 200 mtrs in 100 ...

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[Ronin]

I’ll post a separate thread about this, but there is now an MOA challenge in the UK using a slightly different format

Still MOA but shot at increments of 100 mtrs out to 1000 (meters) then three further distances to 1500

The first event was held yesterday at Gardners Guns in southern Scotland and was a heap of fun

The guys who are decent don't dial at all after setting the turret for range, they use the reticle and make adjustments from observing impacts.

Some of the guys who tried to dial wind were chasing their tail and never got close.

The Xmas tree type reticles come into their own here.

Any scope that allows accurate measurement of miss (fall of shot) and subsequent correction will let you do this

The Xmas tree reticules are very busy and sometimes one cannot see the fall if shot in them

Far simpler rets are better - such as P4f, P5f ans my favourite MSR11

For record I measure and ajust turret rather than hold off