.17 hmr heads again

[bewsher500]

So get your spy glasses out boys and check those case necks !

surely at £15 for 50 that is CCI's job!!
time there was a legal battle to sharpen their slack Quality Control. just takes someone with facial injuries from a blow back and a large settlement to get their attention.

very poor, especially that Edgar Brothers know this and have a) not publicised it b) still import that same crap

 

[unicorn71]

surely at £15 for 50 that is CCI's job!!
time there was a legal battle to sharpen their slack Quality Control. just takes someone with facial injuries from a blow back and a large settlement to get their attention.

very poor, especially that Edgar Brothers know this and have a) not publicised it b) still import that same crap

Yes i totally agree my statement was meant to be a bit more sarcastic than it looked on the screen

 

[Taff]

So are you saying the rep from edgars said we know there's a problem,but carry on as usual, I suppose the worst that can happen is you are blinded or killed, but hey he gave you some free ammo to do it with

 

[shudadunityonksago]

Am shaking like a sh@@ting dog , my 17hmr is only 12mnth old ive had about 200rnds through it .I had probs with grouping so the scope got swapped and since then had little use . All my ammo is Hornaday and it was bought for bunnie bashing during the day . Its also a CZ
If i put it up for sale with all these problems being found i may get scrap value !!

 

[bewsher500]

Am shaking like a sh@@ting dog , my 17hmr is only 12mnth old ive had about 200rnds through it .I had probs with grouping so the scope got swapped and since then had little use . All my ammo is Hornaday and it was bought for bunnie bashing during the day . Its also a CZ
If i put it up for sale with all these problems being found i may get scrap value !!

just do as they say.
pull the trigger and make sure you know if something came out.
I have probably put around 1000 rounds trhough mine, lots of split cases, no squib rounds.

20-30 squibs out of 20 million sold is still very very small

 

[trooper3.1]

nearly all the HMR ammo comes out of the same factory CCI,,,,CCI put the names of the other makes on the boxes at source,,,Hornady had a warning on their site for a few months some time ago telling people that if they had batch number -------what ever it was to send it back for a full refund,,,not replacement a refund,,,CCI then had the same on their site.

so had so much returned they then took the notice of the sites and let it play its self out,,,last year Remington had a notice on their web site asking people to return their ammo batch number ------ for a full refund they also had a notice telling people with HMR rifles to send them back to them for a fault cure.

it is probably time all you chaps that have a problem get on to the importers/ makers and let them know in know uncertain terms you are going to take action if nothing is done,,,,dont forget the sale of goods act covers firearms and ammo as well,,,,as for loss of earnings you may need to consult a legal professional.

paul

 

[unicorn71]

So are you saying the rep from edgars said we know there's a problem,but carry on as usual, I suppose the worst that can happen is you are blinded or killed, but hey he gave you some free ammo to do it with

Yes that is the worst that can happen i shall also refrain from walking across the road driving my car and lock myself in my house just to mitigate a
minute risk that 1 round in 400000 might be the one that sticks in my cz.

 

[Taff]

Unicorn you don,t seem to get it, this is not a probable but a possible,he admitted liability, the risk is very low but greater than crossing the road and driving your car. Where did you get the figure 1in 400k it worried cci and Remington to have a recall. It's nice to now that over 400k 17rounds have been fired by the posters on this thread, go get those bunnys boys there can,t be many left.

 

[old keeper]

As a matter of interest, when you get a "squib" is not the sound totally different from that of a normal round? Over the years I have had the odd dodgy round or cartridge but was aware something was not right. Is the report from a failed round similar to that of a normal one?

 

[unicorn71]

Unicorn you don,t seem to get it, this is not a probable but a possible,he admitted liability, the risk is very low but greater than crossing the road and driving your car. Where did you get the figure 1in 400k it worried cci and Remington to have a recall. It's nice to now that over 400k 17rounds have been fired by the posters on this thread, go get those bunnys boys there can,t be many left.

Taff , what the rep actually said was that last year in the uk they sold 5 million 17 rounds and have had reported to them 20-30 cases of faulty rounds ,yes i agree there is a problem, yes i think they should be doing more , what
i was trying to say was that is a question also of scale , how many duff .22 rounds squibs and h/v do you get ?
Whathe rep also said that i forgot to post was that in the u.s the Hornady 17 hmr ammo boxes apparently have "do not use in semi auto rifles" printed on them .

 

[Muir]

Taff , what the rep actually said was that last year in the uk they sold 5 million 17 rounds and have had reported to them 20-30 cases of faulty rounds ,yes i agree there is a problem, yes i think they should be doing more , what
i was trying to say was that is a question also of scale , how many duff .22 rounds squibs and h/v do you get ?
Whathe rep also said that i forgot to post was that in the u.s the Hornady 17 hmr ammo boxes apparently have "do not use in semi auto rifles" printed on them .

No surprise there. About the only semi that could function well with the HMR might be the CZ 611 and they are few and far between in 17HMR. I know they were made but I have never seen or shot one. There are, however, lots of home-assembled rifles based on the 10/22 Magnum action and these have caused some problems with cartridges blowing up. Much like the Mach 2 in a 10/22 action. I'll look at a current box of ammo and see if that is printed there.

If there have only been 20 or 30 cases of HMR problems in the UK, then half of them have come from the members of this site. I have been following this problem for a while. Maybe a dozen members have related such a problem? One issue is that there are some folks who think that a squib, split case, or DNF ("did not fire") is normal and don't report it. Remember, there have been similar problems in the US for a couple of years now so it's not isolated. If all the cases, 20-30 as reported to you, were all from the same LOT of ammo, then you could say "Bad LOT!" and avoid that LOT number. The problem is that the problem has spanned many LOTs of ammo, which shows a systemic problem in manufacturing instead of a random occurrence.~Muir

 

[unicorn71]

No surprise there. About the only semi that could function well with the HMR might be the CZ 611 and they are few and far between in 17HMR. I know they were made but I have never seen or shot one. There are, however, lots of home-assembled rifles based on the 10/22 Magnum action and these have caused some problems with cartridges blowing up. Much like the Mach 2 in a 10/22 action. I'll look at a current box of ammo and see if that is printed there.

If there have only been 20 or 30 cases of HMR problems in the UK, then half of them have come from the members of this site. I have been following this problem for a while. Maybe a dozen members have related such a problem? One issue is that there are some folks who think that a squib, split case, or DNF ("did not fire") is normal and don't report it. Remember, there have been similar problems in the US for a couple of years now so it's not isolated. If all the cases, 20-30 as reported to you, were all from the same LOT of ammo, then you could say "Bad LOT!" and avoid that LOT number. The problem is that the problem has spanned many LOTs of ammo, which shows a systemic problem in manufacturing instead of a random occurrence.~Muir

Hi Muir yes i thought 20-30 cases was on the low side from the number of rounds imported but like
you say it could be a case of apathy/thinking it was normal.The part that did slightly bother me was
his statement that the problem had been on going for a number of years,makes me wonder if a slight
redesign would be cheaper in the long run than bad publicity , law suits e.t.c especially as the potential
and established market for the round is huge.

 

[black knight]

yes had same thing last year lucky only just stuck in front of rifling cleaning rod knocked it out was a fedrel round. case had wet powder in it and i always keep my ammo dry. also about half fedrel cases split on firing.

 

[finnbear270]

Now then!, this has just rung a bell with me!, Damp looking powder????,..... when Mike & I used to run the .17HMR's regularly on the bunnies, we reckoned if it had been raining or that very damp mizzle type muck, & ammo boxes had been on the truck tops, we suffered some squibbing,........ maybe it's a possible ingress of damp through poor case crimping?, any ideas from the rest of you?. Steve.

 

[unicorn71]

Now then!, this has just rung a bell with me!, Damp looking powder????,..... when Mike & I used to run the .17HMR's regularly on the bunnies, we reckoned if it had been raining or that very damp mizzle type muck, & ammo boxes had been on the truck tops, we suffered some squibbing,........ maybe it's a possible ingress of damp through poor case crimping?, any ideas from the rest of you?. Steve.

Well in my case steve there was a small/nearly microscopic crack in the case neck which had allowed moisture
to damp the powder,i am now checking rounds very carefully.

 

[Pirate hunter]

I ve had the same thing twice now with hornady 17 gr V max in my Anschutz 1517 of the bullet getting stuck half way up the barrel, lucky both times I realised something wasn't right. But now I make a point of taking the cleaning rod just in case.

 

[soother223]

i got a ruger hmr when the round just came out, it was a awsome little round! but after a couple of years i noticed it didn't shoot the groups it used to, then every other round was a split case! i tried all makes of ammo but it made no difference! i know it wasn't the gun because my mate had one aswel & he found the same thing was happening to his!
in the end it just sat in my cabinet! until i sold it last year. i wouldn't advise anyone to invest their hard earned cash in buying a hmr!!
a real shame really! but my groups were over a inch an half in the end, just not good enough

 

[Muir]

I was at the local Ranch Supply store in the city today. They had 17HMR for $7.50US/50 rounds. They weren't selling much from what i could see.~Muir

 

[bewsher500]

hopefully stories like these will do the same to the prices here!
I saw one box for £18 a while ago! that is well into centrefire money!

 

[Muir]

This store had HMR from floor to ceiling. The 17HMR rifles are largely untouched from the last time I was in. I don't know if it has anything to do with the quality as much as it is people realizing that for this region at least, it's just not enough gun on the delivery end.

The cracked neck issue is large. It is an odd sign of the times that cracked necks (and failures to fire, or squibs) are considered a normal occurrence. They aren't or shouldn't be. They are a sign of someone cutting costs. In the case of the HMR it may be that they skipped one of the important annealing steps in the forming process. Bad powder delivery and mis-seated bullets, all add up to running the machines faster. The next thing to show will rumpled necks and hard to chamber rounds as they try to push the forming dies to more production between changes.

It's too bad. It used to be an exquisite cartridge. I vividly remember shooting a 1" group at 200M on a calm, desert morning with my custom 77/17 Ruger. I lent this rifle to a friend three years ago and, all things considered, I'm just not in a hurry to get it back.~Muir