2 dead red deer in Newton Aycliffe game dealers today
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Closure of this thread - a happy ending.
The game dealer in question has allowed me to publish his name and it is Durham Venison and Game. He has heard of the comments on this site and has spoken to my friend and directly to me. He is extremely upset at the implications/intimations of the thread and assures both of us that the deer in question came from a deer park and are perfectly legal. I believe him and am glad to accept this input from him and unreservedly apologise to him.
I will personally go and visit him next week and settle the matter with a handshake.
The game dealer in question has allowed me to publish his name and it is Durham Venison and Game. He has heard of the comments on this site and has spoken to my friend and directly to me. He is extremely upset at the implications/intimations of the thread and assures both of us that the deer in question came from a deer park and are perfectly legal. I believe him and am glad to accept this input from him and unreservedly apologise to him.
I will personally go and visit him next week and settle the matter with a handshake.
devilishdave
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see if the game dealer cant knock up some humble pie!!
Sorry I couldn't resist
Dave
Sorry I couldn't resist
Dave
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Why does coming from a deer park make them legal? JC
nell
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Is there a closed season for FARMED cattle sheep and pigs???? the answer lies within......
STEYR did you check the sex of these kippers,i think only females are in at the mo, could be something FISHY going on..
Nell
No, no close season for farm livestock but park deer aren't farm livestock. Plenty of people chose to see this as a grey area when it suits their needs but it isn't. For deer to be deemed as farmed they must all be individually tagged plus they then come under a whole raft of other legeslation. To be honest, I didn't want to contribute to this topic as enough people have already rushed to the keyboard to make fools of themselves when they are not in posession of all the facts but when park deer were mentioned I couldn't resist having worked in this field for the last twenty years! JC
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Scuttlebuttin
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As regards to the kippers, "where there's smoke"
Mike R,
Widows Son previously pointed to this earlier in the thread.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2004/06/19474/38563
When two differing environmental concerns have a head on collision...
Stan
Widows Son previously pointed to this earlier in the thread.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2004/06/19474/38563
When two differing environmental concerns have a head on collision...
Stan
Is there a closed season for FARMED cattle sheep and pigs???? the answer lies within......
STEYR did you check the sex of these kippers,i think only females are in at the mo, could be something FISHY going on..
Nell
No, no close season for farm livestock but park deer aren't farm livestock. Plenty of people chose to see this as a grey area when it suits their needs but it isn't. For deer to be deemed as farmed they must all be individually tagged plus they then come under a whole raft of other legeslation. To be honest, I didn't want to contribute to this topic as enough people have already rushed to the keyboard to make fools of themselves when they are not in posession of all the facts but when park deer were mentioned I couldn't resist having worked in this field for the last twenty years! JC
I see this subjects gone a bit quiet, I assume that those involved have gone away and checked the relevant legislation. I suppose I can expect an apology anytime soon? JC
ah yes!! i thought they were all female i do like a good bit of kipper in the morning,and if you have a tash you can have after taste all day long while at work!!Originally Posted by nell
Is there a closed season for FARMED cattle sheep and pigs???? the answer lies within......
STEYR did you check the sex of these kippers,i think only females are in at the mo, could be something FISHY going on..
Nell
No, no close season for farm livestock but park deer aren't farm livestock. Plenty of people chose to see this as a grey area when it suits their needs but it isn't. For deer to be deemed as farmed they must all be individually tagged plus they then come under a whole raft of other legeslation. To be honest, I didn't want to contribute to this topic as enough people have already rushed to the keyboard to make fools of themselves when they are not in posession of all the facts but when park deer were mentioned I couldn't resist having worked in this field for the last twenty years! JC
I see this subjects gone a bit quiet, I assume that those involved have gone away and checked the relevant legislation. I suppose I can expect an apology anytime soon? JC
bambislayer
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No Kippers involved
Plenty has been said , written and debated on this subject, most of it ill informed s***.
Glen feshie estate has Natura designations, they had been for a number of years trying to reduce deer numbers [that were far too high] to stop vegetation degrade. Anyway at one point the estate saw that the density of deer within one of the natura sites was way too high, they then contacted DCS for help .
DCS along with a few approved contractors [me being one of them] came in to help, the estate hired a helicopter to help with extraction, taking people out to the hill and as a platform to view and find deer.
We went in and shot deer , we used the chopper very effectively to move and contain deer.
The word got out about what was happening, well the rumours started and we had the SGA [of which I was a main committee member at the time, no one thought of asking for the truth though] and others running about spouting s****.
It escalated that the certain members of the SGA [stupidly] took a film crew in to film the operation, and staged an incident where they put someone in walking gear to walk right into the shooting zone and they filmed it to look like we were endangering the public.
Of course we saw the person stopped shooting and got the chopper to contact them .
It was claimed we;
Shot from the chopper [ absolutely not]
Drove deer with it [ we moved deer and subtely herded them, it's not easy shooting a herd of 300 running deer!!!!]
purposly wounded deer [absolut s****]
Left deer to rot on the hill [Dito]
The deer commission carried out the cull forcefully and went in with a chopper with out telling the esatate. {s****}
The SGA then took this video around the country as a roadshow to stir up the membership.
It was given to the BBC , Nancy Nicholson [now an SGA employee] claimed the scoop and edited it pretty well to try and make it out as a slaughter!!!!
MSP's were contacted as were the media, they even arranged a protest at the Estate, where a group of people [many of whom were my friends] with placards hurled abuse
This was all done to chinese whispers, it brought in politicians who didn't and still don't know anything about deer. It probably caused the demise of the DCS, and we'll just have to wait and see how it works now that SNH are in charge of deer matters.
Glenshee & Mar lodge are under section 7 agreements, that is that the estates are in agreement with DCS and it is the estate stalkers who are carrying out the culling. Yes it was great to see all the deer around braemar it wasn't such a pretty sight in late spring when you could find 100 dead stags a day starved to death in burns and behind fences.
Deer management is not just about deer, it is about the deer and it's conected environment and ecosystem. Densities of 30 deer per 100ha are not natural. we need to take a far more holistic view on their management and see past the deer. Our landseer vision of the highlands is a complete fake conjured up by Albert & Victoria.
Well, my gripe was with dealers accepting out of season deer on the basis that they come from a 'park' when, in England and Wales certainly, park deer are considered wild for the purposes of seasons/calibres etc. I'm not clever enough to do the link thing but the information is out there, one look at the DEFRA website will give the facts.
I recall a high ranking NGO figure stating, during the consultation prior to the 2007 Deer (ammendment) Act, that he had shot hundreds of park deer with a .222 Rem, you don't hear much from him these days!
The whole idea of tracability of carcasses should mean that this sort of thing has been stamped out now but we all know thats not the case. I would love to see a couple of major dealers brought to book so that those of us that do the job properly and within the law can avoid being tarred with the same brush as the cowboys.
I have no problem with out of season shooting or night shooting as long as it is done within both the law and the spirit of the law and conducted by people with the relevant experience and understanding to do it right. (currently I do not need to do this but who knows what the future might bring) I can see no reason why a recreational stalker should be able, or feel the need, to shoot out of season or at night. For this to happen, the Estate should be able to prove that they have done everything else possible to prevent the damage occuring, if they don't employ a full time stalker or professional contractor, how can they claim to have done everything possible? If they can't justify, afford or be bothered to use a professional then tough, they should stand the damage.
As for Bambislayers response to the question about Glen feshie, that has to be the most honest and open post that i've seen on here and straight from the horses mouth too. Can't say much fairer than that.
JC
I recall a high ranking NGO figure stating, during the consultation prior to the 2007 Deer (ammendment) Act, that he had shot hundreds of park deer with a .222 Rem, you don't hear much from him these days!
The whole idea of tracability of carcasses should mean that this sort of thing has been stamped out now but we all know thats not the case. I would love to see a couple of major dealers brought to book so that those of us that do the job properly and within the law can avoid being tarred with the same brush as the cowboys.
I have no problem with out of season shooting or night shooting as long as it is done within both the law and the spirit of the law and conducted by people with the relevant experience and understanding to do it right. (currently I do not need to do this but who knows what the future might bring) I can see no reason why a recreational stalker should be able, or feel the need, to shoot out of season or at night. For this to happen, the Estate should be able to prove that they have done everything else possible to prevent the damage occuring, if they don't employ a full time stalker or professional contractor, how can they claim to have done everything possible? If they can't justify, afford or be bothered to use a professional then tough, they should stand the damage.
As for Bambislayers response to the question about Glen feshie, that has to be the most honest and open post that i've seen on here and straight from the horses mouth too. Can't say much fairer than that.
JC
Park deer are fenced/ walled in to prevent their escape as such are not wild deer and dont have protection of Deer Acts.
Any herd deer damaging crops eg standing corn or root crops or even standing conservation grass can be shot out of season under "farmers defence" by certain authorised folk. If deer can be legally killed out of season it would be wrong to prevent their sale and utilisation as food. So what was/is all the fuss over ?
Any herd deer damaging crops eg standing corn or root crops or even standing conservation grass can be shot out of season under "farmers defence" by certain authorised folk. If deer can be legally killed out of season it would be wrong to prevent their sale and utilisation as food. So what was/is all the fuss over ?
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