.224 valkyrie

pj1

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I had the opportunity to try one a week ago at 600 yards and I loved it. Has anyone got one or know of good feedback on barrel life and case life please.
I know it’s pretty new but would be interesting to find out. I currently use my 6.5x55 for stalking and target. Getting into target shooting more so had contemplated a 308 to get to 1000 yards but find the swede nicer to shoot. The 224 was just great though very mild recoil and silly accurate.
 
There won’t be many about. Especially in the U.K. it’s well liked in the USA with Frank from snipershide being a proponent.
Yes I’ve been looking and at the moment I’ve got more chance of seeing Elvis riding a unicorn eating a dodo sandwich. The one I tried was an ar15 type of rifle. Not really my cup of tea but I could be persuaded to get one ;)
 
I think that the 224 Valkyrie is designed for AR15 type rifles. The boltface size would need to be modified in most cases if building one with a bolt action.

An easier option for the UK could be a fast twist 22BR, 22-250 or even 22 Creedmoor.
 
Ok sounds interesting. How does the 22 br compare to the Valkyrie at long range. I’m not sold on the idea that nothing has been before the Valkyrie to compare with it. A bit like the 6.5 creedmoor is the new must have but if I homeload my swede it is very comparable
 
IMO the .224V only exists because AR15s are the new standard rifle in the USA and it's a way to get long range small calibre performance from one. With semi-automatic centrefire ARs being illegal in the UK, I see little point in selecting a long-range cartridge based on what will fit in an AR. Nevertheless, the 224V is more modern case design than the .22-250 and is associated with longer leades and faster twist, which suits long/heavy high-BC bullets that aren't a good match for most .22-250s. I'm not aware of any off the shelf bolt guns chambered for ithe 224V yet, but Ruger might do an RPR, I suppose. I'm not sure why you would go for a .224V over a 6CM, though.
 
Just get a fast twist .223/22-250 and rejoice in the abundant brass.....
Ok. So at bisley I believe a 22.250 comes under High muzzle energy and if I’m right in thinking each time a hme rifle is used there it has to be zeroed first. (I am new to this so bear with me if I have that wrong). Would a fast twist 223 be effective to 1000 yards with a heavy for calibre bullet. If so it’s very tempting.
And to throw another spanner in the works ....... If lead is banned in ammunition will all smaller calibre become redundant (unless barrel changed) because of needing longer monolithic bullets to get the weight up???
 
I think of of the guys on UK Varminting was building either a 22 Nosler or 224 Valkyrie

Re .22-250 at Bisley.

I think you can shoot it on the sporting rifle complex at Bisley but on the other ranges it is banned as too fast (There's an upper MV just as there's an upper energy limit even for High Muzzle Energy so something like 458 Lott breaks that)

"High Muzzle Energy (HME) firearms no specific calibre limitation but:

i a maximum muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s (3280 ft/s)

ii a maximum muzzle energy of 7000 J (5160 ft lb). Special zeroing procedures are required as explained in Para 8 below"

So not sure outside of Sporting Rifle Complex you can use 22-250 at all.


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Ok. So at bisley I believe a 22.250 comes under High muzzle energy and if I’m right in thinking each time a hme rifle is used there it has to be zeroed first. (I am new to this so bear with me if I have that wrong). Would a fast twist 223 be effective to 1000 yards with a heavy for calibre bullet. If so it’s very tempting.
And to throw another spanner in the works ....... If lead is banned in ammunition will all smaller calibre become redundant (unless barrel changed) because of needing longer monolithic bullets to get the weight up???
You’ll struggle keeping a .223 supersonic to 1000, the 22-250 gives you 10 more grains of powder give or take to get a heavy, long, high bc .224 bullet to 1000, as Ed says go heavy enough and you can stat below the velocity limit.

but if you are new at this don’t even think about playing around with a .22 to 1000 yards, it has potential to really discourage you, get a .308/6.5 creedmoor/6.5x55 and get used to shooting and getting on the black at that range.......... then decide if you want to make it more difficult (or easier).

as for smaller calibres becoming redundant, they won’t, they’ll just need faster twists
 
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IMO the .224V only exists because AR15s are the new standard rifle in the USA and it's a way to get long range small calibre performance from one. With semi-automatic centrefire ARs being illegal in the UK, I see little point in selecting a long-range cartridge based on what will fit in an AR. Nevertheless, the 224V is more modern case design than the .22-250 and is associated with longer leades and faster twist, which suits long/heavy high-BC bullets that aren't a good match for most .22-250s. I'm not aware of any off the shelf bolt guns chambered for ithe 224V yet, but Ruger might do an RPR, I suppose. I'm not sure why you would go for a .224V over a 6CM, though.

You wouldn’t!!
 
but if you are new at this don’t even think about playing around with a .22 to 1000 yards, it has potential to really discourage you, get a .308/6.5 creedmoor/6.5x55 and get used to shooting and getting on the black at that range.......... then decide if you want to make it more difficult (or easier).

YES!

I say that as one who used the 223 in F/TR national league shooting using 90gn Berger VLDs and won a few 1,000 yard stage medals aropund 9, 10 years ago. (Wouldn't be competitive against 308 F/TR rigs and loadings today.) This takes specialist kit and some very special handloading, and still produces pitfalls. As a general rule, 90gn 0.224 bullets are finicky and as a specific rule need chambers with very long freebores to suit which usually precludes using anything much under 80gn as alternatives.

The Valkyrie was designed for the AR platform and utilises a reformed 6.8mm Rem SPC case whose case-head diameter falls between those of the 222/223/204 etc family and the BR/22-250/308 etc. This is no problem for AR builders as correctly dimensioned bolts are available off the shelf (thanks to the widespread use of the 6.8mm SPC in this platform).

For bolt rifles, a 308 etc (0.473") face bolt can be used at a pinch albeit but is less than ideal, and needs a longer extractor blade to be available or fabricated. Otherwise, it's a (rare) 6.8mm SPC rifle / bolt used as a base or having a gunsmith open out a 223 bolt-face, if necessary replacing the extractor. The other possible alternative would be use of an action whose bolt incorporates a separate and replaceable bolt-head, eg Savages. Getting one such (alternative bolt-head) wouldn't be an easy option though as it would need the rifle manufacturer to specify either 6.8 mm SPC or 224 Valkyrie models in its range, or getting a custom bolt-heat from Pacific Tool & Gage or other such supplier.

As @25 Sharps and others say, a smaller 6.5mm off the shelf is a much simpler and easier option, 260 Rem and 6.5mm Creedmoor being the obvious choices, 6.5X55mm in a long or mid-length single-shot action such as the Savage 12 series.Alternatively 6mm BR Norma is a lovely little cartridge, capable of far better precision than the 224 V and is easily 1,000 yard capable if built with a fast twist barrel to handle 105-108gn bullets. The three 6.5s and the BRs have superb brass available off the shelf in the UK. 224 V is available from Federal, Hornady, and Starline but they're unlikely to be as well made or a strong as the Lapua or Norma equivalent for the BRs and 6.5s.

If your shooting is primarily at shorter distances, a nice little alternative to the 224 V and available off the shelf is the 6.5mm Grendel. It's now an offering in the Howa Mini 1500 Varmint (go for the factory MDT 'Oryx' stock variant) or the longer barreled Cz527 'Varmint MTR', both now available here.

howa mini grendel « Search Results « Daily Bulletin


The 20-inch barrel heavy barrel 'Varmint' model is the one to go for, better still with the factory MDT Oryx chassis stock option

Howa 1500 Mini Oryx « Search Results « Daily Bulletin

New CZ 527 Varmint MTR (Match Target Rifle) « Daily Bulletin


The Grendel is a shoot forever cartridge (getting on for 10,000 rounds barrel life) low recoil and very accurate cartridge with a thoroughbred (based on the PPC case) pedigree. It will just keep a 120-130gn match bullet supersonic to past 1,000, although the larger 6.5s are far superior for regular use at this distance or any competitive shooting.

If you're dead set on he 224 V, talk to Dave Wylde at Valkyrie Performance Rifles (the common name is entirely coincidental) who has a reamer and has built at least one example, an AR, for his own use.
 
I had an AR-15 upper for the 22 Nosler and almost got one for the 224 Valkyrie but didn’t and shortly after sold the 22 Nosler upper . Not sure what intrested me about them at first , the Nosler was fun to play with but after awhile my intrest waned . Hence the reason I didn’t buy the other .
 
Great to see someone sensible like Laurie talking up the Howas. They're bloody good rifles and any nonsense spouted to the contrary is exactly that. The current range from Legacy Sports has some serious upgrades.

@pj1 - if you want to get out to 1,000m with a standard factory rifle, your best bet is the 6.5 though if you spend some time researching the F-Class history you'll see that custom 7mm rifles rule the roost these days.

I have both 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoors and both hit steel at 1,000m with relative ease. I would say my preference is actually the 6mm, because it's that bit more challenging with the windage.

Here's the latest addition, a Howa 6mm Creedmoor in the KRG stock (1:7.5"). It came with a 26" barrel but I have cut it to 22" and suppressed with the usual DPT. On the lathe, the steel is beautiful - 416R I'd guess, stainless and either Cerakoted or Duracoated, something like that. It's silly accurate, this one delivers a comfy sub-half MOA with my fairly agricultural hand loads and an easy 3,000fps with 108gr. These rifles are serious business. What velocity I lost with cutting it I regained by switching to RL16.

When you get a rifle shooting 1,000m reliably, it becomes a bit boring, that's my take on it. So I like to keep it interesting and play with the wind. It can drive you bat**** crazy but believe me the transfer of these skills to pest control duties is second to none.

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