.224 valkyrie
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pj1
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Thank you for all the replies. I don’t have my heart set on a valkyrie but what did appeal was low recoil and cheaper running costs.
As the rifle goes it was fun but not the same pleasure to shoot compared to my Sauer 202. Its in 6.5x55 and the recoil I find on that it ok.
I have a cz 308 light sporting short barrel that isn’t that pleasant to shoot prone. I tried a Remington 700 in 308 which had a longer heavy barrel and muzzle brake. The recoil was ok on this but it wasn’t a nice to shoot as my swede. So that’s why I was thinking smaller would suit me better.
Will see if I can have a go with a 6mm br and the grendel looks fun. If I attended every shoot at the club in a year (which I won’t be able too) the majority of the shooting is 600 yards with then thirteen sessions booked at 900 - 1000 and a few at 200 and 300 and a couple of McQueens competitions at 300. Which I why I was also leaning towards smaller than a 308. But don’t want to go and get rifle that is utterly hopeless at 1000 because that would be more frustrating than ever.
I’m not really sold on ftr type rifles. Huge heavy barrels and stocks. They just don’t really appeal. I would be more interested in an all purpose rifle that could be used at all ranges and disciplines but then have to work harder to get at 1000 yards if that makes sense
As the rifle goes it was fun but not the same pleasure to shoot compared to my Sauer 202. Its in 6.5x55 and the recoil I find on that it ok.
I have a cz 308 light sporting short barrel that isn’t that pleasant to shoot prone. I tried a Remington 700 in 308 which had a longer heavy barrel and muzzle brake. The recoil was ok on this but it wasn’t a nice to shoot as my swede. So that’s why I was thinking smaller would suit me better.
Will see if I can have a go with a 6mm br and the grendel looks fun. If I attended every shoot at the club in a year (which I won’t be able too) the majority of the shooting is 600 yards with then thirteen sessions booked at 900 - 1000 and a few at 200 and 300 and a couple of McQueens competitions at 300. Which I why I was also leaning towards smaller than a 308. But don’t want to go and get rifle that is utterly hopeless at 1000 because that would be more frustrating than ever.
I’m not really sold on ftr type rifles. Huge heavy barrels and stocks. They just don’t really appeal. I would be more interested in an all purpose rifle that could be used at all ranges and disciplines but then have to work harder to get at 1000 yards if that makes sense
you need to work out why you want it and what you're allowed to use it for so see if its any good So its an overpowered 223 not much use on Small deer over the current 223 and 22 available. Not legal for bigger deer regardless of ability.
For target use what Comps can it be used in that it has an advantage it cant be Used in FTR as only 308 and 223 are allowed
(and 223 is capable of doing 1000 well if you know what you're doing with reloading I know an 11yr old girl shooting FTR in 223 and very capable at 1000yrds )
so you have to shoot open F class where the big boys have the advantage on the High BC bullets
if you push it to fast you will run into Range restrictions on speed (17 HMR is not allowed on many Bisley ranges and No 17CF is legal on Bisley at all )
not sure in UK where its a Good fit
For target use what Comps can it be used in that it has an advantage it cant be Used in FTR as only 308 and 223 are allowed
(and 223 is capable of doing 1000 well if you know what you're doing with reloading I know an 11yr old girl shooting FTR in 223 and very capable at 1000yrds )
so you have to shoot open F class where the big boys have the advantage on the High BC bullets
if you push it to fast you will run into Range restrictions on speed (17 HMR is not allowed on many Bisley ranges and No 17CF is legal on Bisley at all )
not sure in UK where its a Good fit
pj1
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What advantage would a 6mm creed have over a 6.5 creed. I know someone with a 6mm br. Will see if I can bag a go on that one.
It's faster and flatter-shooting (why the PRS people have downsized from 6.5s as high-performance sixes are more tolerant of ranging errors), also has less recoil than its bigger brother, also valuable for rapid fire tactical type multi-position disciplines. It seems to be a fine all-round performer, good varmint shooting record too. Downsides are (yet) faster barrel heating in such rapid-fire shooting and significantly reduced barrel life (same amount of powder / gas volume going down a smaller hole with less surface area). Unlike the 6-6.5X47 Lapua wildcat which was 'in' for a while, it seems to be pretty viceless and easy to tune for accuracy. Also, lots of reasonably priced brass available off the shelf, initially necked-down 6.5 Creedmoor, increasingly now factory formed, important as case attrition and loss is high in some disciplines that like this cartridge.
With the type of shooting you mention, also consider the 6.5X47 Lapua - a very accurate little round and in a reasonably heavy rifle, very light recoil especially if you use the ballistically capable 123/130gn bullets. Capable on deer as many on SD tell and providing loads are kept sensible, good barrel life - better than 6mmBR, 6XC, 243Win, Creedmoor etc and the larger 6.5s too. Its main downside is that it rarely shows over-pressure symptoms other than reduced barrel life and many users seem unable to resist seriously over-loading it. (There is another possible issue for those rebarrelling factory rifles such as Remington 700s - high pressure small primer cartridges often suffer severe primer extrusion back into the bolt's firing pin aperture, in severe cases leading to 'blanking' primers at less than full loads / pressures. The only answer here is gunsmith bolt-bushing and turn down the firing pin job, not cheap. Also, not available on some rifles thanks to very hard steel in the bolt and a new bolt is needed there - this affects Accuracy Internationals for instance.) There is only Lapua brass available, expensive but lasts forever with sensible loads, and easy to get hold of. With a good 123gn match bullet (the Lapua Scenar is an outstanding example), it is easily 1,000 yard capable, but as other have said 'capable' and 'competitive' aren't necessarily the same things in today's long-range competition scene.
A nice photo of what looks like a great rifle. If Howa ever start looking after lefties as well as Tikka does -or better-, I'd have no hesitation in buying one. (By the way, did those bottle tops come with the bipod or are they extra?)
pj1
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Hand loads. I want to load for my swede that I have already and it would make sense to have the same chambering for a target type rifle but heavy barrels on the swede are pretty rare it seems.
Yep. I had a slot for a second swede for target and couldn’t find anything to fill it so switched to a creedmoor my RFD had on the shelf so did a 1-4-1 for a creedmoor.
If that is the case however then your best bet is to go for the 6.5 creedmoor as you can share powders and to some extent bullets depending on application, generally powders that are good for any given bullet weight in one will perform in the other.
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Might be worth a look if the bore’s ok
Or this if wanting new and budget allows
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This one:
Choose your own Tikka rifle from a variety of innovative models
This is an outstandingly accurate piece in 6.5X55mm. (It's also listed in 260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor.)
This is what I would have gone for but didn’t want to wait 6 months for a new rifle, I can’t help myself once I have an empty slot I need to fill it!
I know that feeling well!
6pt-sika
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I'll be the first to say new cartridges atleast bring hopefully more intrest into the gun/shooting trade . However the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmoor are answers to a question that was never asked . If a person wants a something in 6mm go on and get a plain Jane 243 WIN it was good 65 years ago when they introduced it and still going strong today . And for the way you guys are treated by your government when it comes to guns and ammo 243 stuff oughtta be a damn sight easier to acquire than any of those mentioned above . Now if a guy wants something to load for yadda yadda yadda then by all means go right ahead , but if it's a factory only venture the 243 is hard to beat . Just my always BIASED and CORRECT opinion
Holy crap.
A whole new level of nonsense!
What you got growing on your Virginian plot there @6pt-sika? I'll come over and visit and sitting in your rocking chair and we can share some. Sounds like fun.
OK just for the edification of any confused fellas, the trusty .243 is of course a standard 1:10" twist (but the yanks went for ever so slightly faster in the end). The 6mm CM is 1:7.5" twist, allowing the use of very long for calibre, high BC, high SD bullets that the .243 simply can't shoot.
Which allows blokes like me to add a (conservative) 200m to the effective range of the 6mm for use in hill country pest control.
Hope that helps. Now send me some seeds pls.
A whole new level of nonsense!
What you got growing on your Virginian plot there @6pt-sika? I'll come over and visit and sitting in your rocking chair and we can share some. Sounds like fun.
OK just for the edification of any confused fellas, the trusty .243 is of course a standard 1:10" twist (but the yanks went for ever so slightly faster in the end). The 6mm CM is 1:7.5" twist, allowing the use of very long for calibre, high BC, high SD bullets that the .243 simply can't shoot.
Which allows blokes like me to add a (conservative) 200m to the effective range of the 6mm for use in hill country pest control.
Hope that helps. Now send me some seeds pls.
Nope, 6.5 and 6 mm creedmoor just as easy to acquire in terms of licensing as are moderators to suitI'll be the first to say new cartridges atleast bring hopefully more intrest into the gun/shooting trade . However the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmoor are answers to a question that was never asked . If a person wants a something in 6mm go on and get a plain Jane 243 WIN it was good 65 years ago when they introduced it and still going strong today . And for the way you guys are treated by your government when it comes to guns and ammo 243 stuff oughtta be a damn sight easier to acquire than any of those mentioned above . Now if a guy wants something to load for yadda yadda yadda then by all means go right ahead , but if it's a factory only venture the 243 is hard to beat . Just my always BIASED and CORRECT opinion
6pt-sika
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I’ve got a rifle that’s 6mm caliber with a 1:7.5 . And it’s not a CM but rather a 6mm-06 ! That rifle was built for the almost exclusive purpose of shooting Berger 115 VLD’s and I might add it does a very decent job .Holy crap.
A whole new level of nonsense!
What you got growing on your Virginian plot there @6pt-sika? I'll come over and visit and sitting in your rocking chair and we can share some. Sounds like fun.
OK just for the edification of any confused fellas, the trusty .243 is of course a standard 1:10" twist (but the yanks went for ever so slightly faster in the end). The 6mm CM is 1:7.5" twist, allowing the use of very long for calibre, high BC, high SD bullets that the .243 simply can't shoot.
Which allows blokes like me to add a (conservative) 200m to the effective range of the 6mm for use in hill country pest control.
Hope that helps. Now send me some seeds pls.
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