243 second hand market dead

charlie-fox

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Im in the market to change my deer/foxing rifle have got the chance at a sako 75 243

Went to 2 local rfds to sell my used howa 243 and point blank “we dont buy 243 because of the ban”
Is this the same story with anyone else
 
the market is wrong! I’ll get in trouble for this, but coupled with something bigger for bigger deer, a 243 is ideal for roe, small deer and foxes, even with copper. With the number of rifles about more ammo choices will appear.

If you already have a 243 just keep it, if you dont buy one second hand at ridiculously cheap prices.
 
the market is wrong! I’ll get in trouble for this, but coupled with something bigger for bigger deer, a 243 is ideal for roe, small deer and foxes, even with copper. With the number of rifles about more ammo choices will appear.

If you already have a 243 just keep it, if you dont buy one second hand at ridiculously cheap prices.
It’s why I have 3 deer rifles.
The 243 is perfect for still days and long shots, but when it’s claggy the swede or 308 come out.
My 243 is going nowhere as it’s a great calibre and if I need to I will simply stick a 1:8 barrel on it.
 
I use a 243 with 80gr Fox Classic bullets. I have shot plenty of Roe and a number of red deer with it. None of the deer have lived long enough to write any sort of complaint. Most have even noticed that they have transitioned from being a living breathing beautiful animal into the basis for next batch of biltong.
 
I think it’s world wide regarding the 243, for the last 9 yrs I would have sold 1-2, but ha sold 4 in the last 2 months, it’s all to do with fasion, there was a article here on shooting fallow, must have something to do with that.
 
the market is wrong! I’ll get in trouble for this, but coupled with something bigger for bigger deer, a 243 is ideal for roe, small deer and foxes, even with copper. With the number of rifles about more ammo choices will appear.

If you already have a 243 just keep it, if you dont buy one second hand at ridiculously cheap prices.
Business is business. The RFD's aren't interested in the effectiveness of the chambering, they are only interesting in buying and selling things that will give them the best chance of making a profit - and why not.
 
243 is a very good versatile little cartridge. But it relies on velocity to give lots of hydrostatic shock, rather than a big bullet going slowly making a bigger hole.

In Scotland there was a min of 100gn requirement for the bigger deer. The 100gn bullet was always on the edge of stability in the typical 1 in 10” twist of the 243. It’s why most 243 100gn loads use a flat based bullet rather than a sleek boat tail high BC type bullet.

Certainly in my 243 Heym SR20 I found it to be pretty sensitive to cartridge. It shot RWS 100gn T Mantle very well. Then they changed their loading and seated the bullet deeper - and this substantially opened up groups. I also had problems with lack of penetration on Reds with bullet expanding too fast and not penetrating shoulders.

Now that we have an 80gn min in Scotland, we can use all sorts 80 to 95 gn bullets. These are absolutely within the spin rate stability with higher velocities more than making up for loss in bullet weight. Most of these lighter bullets are of more aerodynamic shape and thus probably have a better BC.

With a monolithic bullet you get the toughness and weight retention so that the bullet will penetrate into the vitals if even the biggest deer. From what I have read the 243 with an 80 to 85gn monolthic is more than adequate for elk or kudu.

A 243 does however need a decent length of barrel to enable a full powder burn to hit the 3,000 fps plus velocity’s. It’s an overbore little cartridge - it’s a baby magnum type of rifle. 22, 24 or 26” are ideal.

The current fad is for short 16 or 18” barrels. 243 struggles to make adequate velocities in such barrels, unless you do something funky with powders.

243 kills by velocity with hydrostatic causing a large temporary wound channel. This does cause quite a bit of bruising. With a monolithic bullet that remains in one piece this is unsightly rather spoiling large amounts of meat with lead fragments.

The 243 is fast and flat shooting, and with a typical 4cm high at 100m sighting you don’t need to worry about range till well over 200m.

However the current fashion is for a short barreled rifle shooting a long for calibre high BC bullet at 2650, 2700 ish launch velocity and using technology to range find and adjust sights for perfect impact at further distances.

I am old school - anything over 200 is really too far. I want minimal fuss and use point blank range approach.
 
243 is a very good versatile little cartridge. But it relies on velocity to give lots of hydrostatic shock, rather than a big bullet going slowly making a bigger hole.

In Scotland there was a min of 100gn requirement for the bigger deer. The 100gn bullet was always on the edge of stability in the typical 1 in 10” twist of the 243. It’s why most 243 100gn loads use a flat based bullet rather than a sleek boat tail high BC type bullet.

Certainly in my 243 Heym SR20 I found it to be pretty sensitive to cartridge. It shot RWS 100gn T Mantle very well. Then they changed their loading and seated the bullet deeper - and this substantially opened up groups. I also had problems with lack of penetration on Reds with bullet expanding too fast and not penetrating shoulders.

Now that we have an 80gn min in Scotland, we can use all sorts 80 to 95 gn bullets. These are absolutely within the spin rate stability with higher velocities more than making up for loss in bullet weight. Most of these lighter bullets are of more aerodynamic shape and thus probably have a better BC.

With a monolithic bullet you get the toughness and weight retention so that the bullet will penetrate into the vitals if even the biggest deer. From what I have read the 243 with an 80 to 85gn monolthic is more than adequate for elk or kudu.

A 243 does however need a decent length of barrel to enable a full powder burn to hit the 3,000 fps plus velocity’s. It’s an overbore little cartridge - it’s a baby magnum type of rifle. 22, 24 or 26” are ideal.

The current fad is for short 16 or 18” barrels. 243 struggles to make adequate velocities in such barrels, unless you do something funky with powders.

243 kills by velocity with hydrostatic causing a large temporary wound channel. This does cause quite a bit of bruising. With a monolithic bullet that remains in one piece this is unsightly rather spoiling large amounts of meat with lead fragments.

The 243 is fast and flat shooting, and with a typical 4cm high at 100m sighting you don’t need to worry about range till well over 200m.

However the current fashion is for a short barreled rifle shooting a long for calibre high BC bullet at 2650, 2700 ish launch velocity and using technology to range find and adjust sights for perfect impact at further distances.

I am old school - anything over 200 is really too far. I want minimal fuss and use point blank range approach.
It was (allegedly) the length of the 100gr not the weight that had the potential to cause instability.

The question is...is an 85gr monolithic shorter than 100gr lead? If they are the same length then the stability risk could be the same
 
It was (allegedly) the length of the 100gr not the weight that had the potential to cause instability.

The question is...is an 85gr monolithic shorter than 100gr lead? If they are the same length then the stability risk could be the same
Agreed - length of the bullet is all important.
It was (allegedly) the length of the 100gr not the weight that had the potential to cause instability.

The question is...is an 85gr monolithic shorter than 100gr lead? If they are the same length then the stability risk could be the same
i would agree with on length. As for copper bullets length really depends on shape. Take Yew Tree - they do two 80.1 grain bullets. One is a boat tail and their recommended min twist is 1 in 8”, but their flat base bullet is fine in a 1 in 10”. With Fox their 100gn tipless is just about OK in a 1 in 10” twist - really depends on the exact twist rate (some European barrels are a metric ewuivalent) anf velocity - high velocity = faster spin rate = better stability.

The Fox 80gn works very well in my 243 Heym with twist of about 1 in 10.5” - its a metric twist. The 100gn Tipless doesn’t work, but fine in a tikka T3.

For some the high BC of a boat tail is important. Others take the view that it really only becomes important as range extends beyond 300m, and that is beyond anything alive and deer like that you should be shooting with a 243.
 
My friend has an old 1:10 twist 243 that shoots clover leaf groups with 80gr copper ammo. So stabilising and accuracy aren’t an issue with the lead ban.

He is African and was telling me back home they use 223 for zebra and other similar sized game (larger and tougher than any of our red deer) with great effect!

I think the issues with the lead ban is more cultural than anything else the good ole 243 will do everything that’s needed of it in the UK and more!
 
He is African and was telling me back home they use 223 for zebra and other similar sized game (larger and tougher than any of our red deer) with great effect!
Mostly head shots though, I watched a documentary years ago of culling in africa, I think the biggest round used was .22/250, I've also watched .22 centrefire used to great effect on NZ reds, again headshots
 
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