270 or 30 06

[mchughcb]

I hear a load of old ******** about performance of X calibre over Y calibre, We have 270 and 30 06 users in our group and they kill deer just as dead as my 243.

Maybe you should participate in NigelM's survey of lung shot deer reaction with your 243 performance and help provide some detailed statistical information to make an informed conclusion about the killing performance of your choice of projectiles and distances . When you give Nigel your results let me know and I'll follow up with him so I can compare the 25/06,270, 308, 30-06 and 300 Win Mag with your 243.

 

[John Gryphon]

RODKAYAK,

A bit of a write up here mate.one line stands out Q: " [FONT=&quot]At the 500 yard mark the 270 has about 15% more power than the 30-06",EQ

Another line is good too Q"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Both of these rounds are perfect for deer up to 200 yards. You would be better served to [/FONT][FONT=&quot]just pick one and spend your time at the range improving your shot rather than fretting over the scientific data.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]EQ

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[Chasey]

Maybe you should participate in NigelM's survey of lung shot deer reaction with your 243 performance and help provide some detailed statistical information to make an informed conclusion about the killing performance of your choice of projectiles and distances . When you give Nigel your results let me know and I'll follow up with him so I can compare the 25/06,270, 308, 30-06 and 300 Win Mag with your 243.

Id love too but I don't heart lung shoot. I dot need too as theres no long range stuff on my permisions. Youd struggle to get a shot longer than 100m with 90% being 50m or less. We have one field which offers well over 100m but then back stop becomes an issue

Head and neck only 70g BT. Looking at my cull history with my 243 I have only H&L shot 8 deer and 51 head shot

Performance wise its been instantaneous drop to the ground 100% of the time with head shot

With a 243 I use 100g Power Shok. All of them except two ran between about 5 -10m. One droped on the spot and the other, a Roe off sticks, ran and I never found it and didn't find a blood trail. I searched the apx 100 acre site for that evening and most of the following day and we had a dog out but no joy. Other stalkers and the land owner never found a carcuss. It was a rushed shot off sticks on a roe that suddenly stood up, so the beleife & hope is, I missed it

H&L 243

I shot one fallow with Willowbank (bout 50m?), that ran about 10m Hit the heart

I shot a Roe with Geof of then Geof and Robin fame (bout 150m off sticks) ran about 5m Hit the heart

I shot a munti 160 kneeling with Mark Deerstalking England, that dropped on the spot Hit the heart

I shot a fallow doe with the old DAGS group at about 70m which ran apx 10m Hit the heart

I shot fallow doe 90-100ish m with a 70g BT again ran about 10m Hit heart but only just nicked it so main damage was lung and internal carnage was massive.

That's it that's ALL my H&L shots on 243

I shot three Fallow H&L on DSC2 with 308 150g Sako Hammer head

1 Ran about 5m Hit the heart range maybe 30m

1 Ran about 10m Hit lung but had to aim a bit high due to grass range 150m off bipod

1 bad runner/bad shot. That was found alive about 10m away and it ran again and was finaly found unable to move and dispatched about 50m-70m away and had been shot in the liver. 175m off bipod according to the range finder.

90% of the reason I don't heart and lung is I don't like to see shot anamals running off.

Soon as I gave up pro stalking I switched to head only with one exception when I took an a very tricky shot through a small gap in dense trees on a fallow and used the 70g for a heart shot due to the difficulty. End result was a dead deer but the internal carnage made me decide id never do that again that was the nicked heart shot listed above.

Open hill Scotland I took the 308 expecting long range heart shots.

I have two rigs. 243 with a heavy laminated stock designed for accuracy over everything which I use for high seat head shots and some close range stick head shots. 70g BT at 3546fps for maximum carnage on impact

Then I have a light weight 308 rig I use for walk and stalk using Sako Hammer Head soft point 308 150g

308. I have only had one runner who made it past 10m from the shot point and that was strangly with the 308

 

[TOMMO.B]

If you go back to the start of the thread the OP said he wanted a hill rifle for stalking big stags that will also cover him for an annual boar shooting trip. Would you seriously suggest a .243? A .30-06 isn't over-compensating for such a brief, its spot-on. It would be my choice over a .270.

. 243 will kill big stags and boar. nae bother. Its not a size thing its how you use it. And you are right the OP wants a .270 or 30-06

 

[Malxwal]

My friend runs a 30-06, I have 308. The inefficiency stuff sparked a conversation and some research on my part.
There can be no doubt the 30-06 is pretty versatile. He runs a 150 Gameking at around 2750 using H380, very low pressures, lovely "shove" recoil wise, compared to my 308 which is definitely more of a kick..
With that load, stags at 300 wobble and fall over with correct shot placement (generally the key I think we would all agree).
There's still a lot of capacity to add oomph should quarry warrant it.

 

[mchughcb]

When comparing apples with apples for a 270 with a 30-06 with optimal powder for speed and similar bullets such as the Hornady ELD-X 145gr in 270 using 57gr of RL22 for 3030 fps versus Hornady ELD-X 178gr in 30 Cal. with 62gr of RL22 for 2850 fps using a 24" barrel.

at 500 yards the 270 Win retains 1562ftlb of kinetic energy not power the 30-06 Springfield RETAINS 1682ftlb of kinetic energy not power or about 7.5% kinetic energy not power.

I would never trust a person who doesn't know the difference between POWER and ENERGY

 

[mchughcb]

Id love too but I don't heart lung shoot. I dot need too as theres no long range stuff on my permisions. Youd struggle to get a shot longer than 100m with 90% being 50m or less. We have one field which offers well over 100m but then back stop becomes an issue

Head and neck only 70g BT. Looking at my cull history with my 243 I have only H&L shot 8 deer and 51 head shot

Performance wise its been instantaneous drop to the ground 100% of the time with head shot

With a 243 I use 100g Power Shok. All of them except two ran between about 5 -10m. One droped on the spot and the other, a Roe off sticks, ran and I never found it and didn't find a blood trail. I searched the apx 100 acre site for that evening and most of the following day and we had a dog out but no joy. Other stalkers and the land owner never found a carcuss. It was a rushed shot off sticks on a roe that suddenly stood up, so the beleife & hope is, I missed it

H&L 243

I shot one fallow with Willowbank (bout 50m?), that ran about 10m Hit the heart

I shot a Roe with Geof of then Geof and Robin fame (bout 150m off sticks) ran about 5m Hit the heart

I shot a munti 160 kneeling with Mark Deerstalking England, that dropped on the spot Hit the heart

I shot a fallow doe with the old DAGS group at about 70m which ran apx 10m Hit the heart

I shot fallow doe 90-100ish m with a 70g BT again ran about 10m Hit heart but only just nicked it so main damage was lung and internal carnage was massive.

That's it that's ALL my H&L shots on 243

I shot three Fallow H&L on DSC2 with 308 150g Sako Hammer head

1 Ran about 5m Hit the heart range maybe 30m

1 Ran about 10m Hit lung but had to aim a bit high due to grass range 150m off bipod

1 bad runner/bad shot. That was found alive about 10m away and it ran again and was finaly found unable to move and dispatched about 50m-70m away and had been shot in the liver. 175m off bipod according to the range finder.

90% of the reason I don't heart and lung is I don't like to see shot anamals running off.

Soon as I gave up pro stalking I switched to head only with one exception when I took an a very tricky shot through a small gap in dense trees on a fallow and used the 70g for a heart shot due to the difficulty. End result was a dead deer but the internal carnage made me decide id never do that again that was the nicked heart shot listed above.

Open hill Scotland I took the 308 expecting long range heart shots.

I have two rigs. 243 with a heavy laminated stock designed for accuracy over everything which I use for high seat head shots and some close range stick head shots. 70g BT at 3546fps for maximum carnage on impact

Then I have a light weight 308 rig I use for walk and stalk using Sako Hammer Head soft point 308 150g

308. I have only had one runner who made it past 10m from the shot point and that was strangly with the 308

thanks for the honest reply Chasey. With all due respect if 86% of your deer are shot in the head and 90% of them are under 50m and the biggest is a fallow I'm not sure how that can be considered a test of the performance of a 243 Win. If it was legal over there I'm pretty sure you'd get the same results with a 55gr SP from a 223 or 22/250 which by any definition of the word is only a varmint cartridge.

 

[John Gryphon]

RODKAYAK

Here is another long winded essay into the merits of both calibres.

I personally have only taken one deer (a mature sambar stag) with a .270,I haven't ever used a 30-06,in fact I cant really recall ever firing a 30-06 but have shot many hundreds of deer with other calibres and have no doubt whatsoever that whichever you choose of the two will hold you in good stead.


.270 vs .30-06 - Cartridge Comparison

 

[smokey]

270 w or 30/06who cares just stick with one load bullet weight and use it all the time

 

[tusker]

270 w or 30/06who cares just stick with one load bullet weight and use it all the time

At last some bloody sanity. I was not going to reply to this thread as it was just winding me up. Especialy the eejit who recond the 30-06 was sub standard. I have 06 and 270 both rifles have taken game all over the world. I have taken over a hundred head of game with the 06 it is my go to rifle, love it and I would go up against any person and rifle of their choice up to 300 yrds.
Tusker

 

[User00035]

I think the OP accepts there is nothing wrong with either .270 or .30-06 as those are the two options he's given himself. His question was, which one? Not an unreasonable thing to ask on a shooting forum.

 

[mchughcb]

At last some bloody sanity. I was not going to reply to this thread as it was just winding me up. Especialy the eejit who recond the 30-06 was sub standard. I have 06 and 270 both rifles have taken game all over the world. I have taken over a hundred head of game with the 06 it is my go to rifle, love it and I would go up against any person and rifle of their choice up to 300 yrds.
Tusker

Not sure eejits is fair. It depends on your perspective. The simple argument for either is depends. Im quite comfortable with the larger calibre and i can show penetration on some of my videos of how much branch the bullet passed through before hitting a running target which may occur on a driven hunt. Open field on thin skinned game to 300 yards probably not much difference in outcome.

 

[scoby270]

270 w or 30/06who cares just stick with one load bullet weight and use it all the time

+1, Sense at last. no prizes for my choice.


S

 

[alberta boy]

I love these threads . The OP asked a simple question and it goes off the rails . I've shot game , big and not so big , with both calibers . With decent bullets and proper placement , both will take game cleanly and I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between them . That applies to more calibers than I'd care to mention .
To the OP , find one that fits in either caliber , put some good glass on it , find a good load and your done .
In the immortal words of Phil Shoemaker " It's time to quit with the ballistic masturbation and go and shoot something " .

AB

 

[Jagare]

I love these threads . The OP asked a simple question and it goes off the rails . I've shot game , big and not so big , with both calibers . With decent bullets and proper placement , both will take game cleanly and I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between them . That applies to more calibers than I'd care to mention .
To the OP , find one that fits in either caliber , put some good glass on it , find a good load and your done .
In the immortal words of Phil Shoemaker " It's time to quit with the ballistic masturbation and go and shoot something " .



AB

The quote at the end of your post made me smile, so true. Can't be bothered to read this or any other post on whats the best caliber. Can't people make up their own minds. Apart from my .22 i know any of the guns in my gun cabinet will kill any animal out in the forest. Far to much Böllocks talked about calibers.

 

[Greener Jim]

The quote at the end of your post made me smile, so true. Can't be bothered to read this or any other post on whats the best caliber. Can't people make up their own minds. Apart from my .22 i know any of the guns in my gun cabinet will kill any animal out in the forest. Far to much Böllocks talked about calibers.

Damn right, how dare people come on here and ask for personal experiences of people who have actually used the proposed cartridges! I mean it’s not like the Internet was designed for the sharing of knowledge.

 

[scrumbag]

30 06? OMG that cartridge is F##ing massive. What are you over compensating for

I dread to think what impression my 9.3x62 would leave on you...

Also another plus 1 for 7x64 (Though the '06 will do I suppose )

 

[Scotty99]

30-06 every time. As others have said wide variety of ammo and bullet weights making it very versatile, deer, boar and plains game. The .270 is a necked down 30-06 so why compromise when you can have the real thing.

 

[Greener Jim]

The 270 isn’t a necked down 30-06 though. Just to be a pedant.

 

[Scotty99]

The 270 isn’t a necked down 30-06 though. Just to be a pedant.

This from the American arifleman website.

"Just more than 90 years ago, the .270 Winchester cartridge—commonly abbreviated “.270 Win.” or referred to simply as the “.270”—was introduced in the Model 54 bolt-action. Based on a simple necking down of the .30-’06 Sprg. case"

Although I have also read that it is a necked down version of the 30-03 on which the .270, .280 and the 30-06 are all based.

it would be interesting to get a definitive position.

How ever both a good and effective rounds, but the 30-06 gets my vote.