270 or 30 06

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J111 said:
I took away from that that the 243 is for people who are recoil shy!
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Well that is one of it’s big upsides when thinking of a rifle for a young, weak or inexperienced shooter or just for a shooter who doesn’t like recoil. Recoil why may not be right but recoil adverse fits well :)
 
Greener Jim said:
Well that is one of it’s big upsides when thinking of a rifle for a young, weak or inexperienced shooter or just for a shooter who doesn’t like recoil. Recoil why may not be right but recoil adverse fits well :)
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:rofl:

I've got this vision in my head of all the young, weak and inexperienced 100kg tree trunk legged Kiwi blokes I hunt with, carrying their deer / pig / goat / tahr / chamois / arapawa on their shoulders with their .243 in their right hands and their rucksack in the other.

Here's a snap of the neighbour's son.
 
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You’ll note I also put that it works for those who don’t like recoil separate to the statement about the young, the inexperienced and the weak.
Maybe if I replaced “doesn’t like recoil” with “finds recoil unfavourable” you’d be happier.
 
When i got my 3006, i was given a box of 170 gn FMJ, dont remember the make and it was horrible to shoot, with massive recoil. It was not pleasant and though i shot a few similar home loads whilst setting up, it was not my rifle of choice. Now i have 2 identical rifles, schultz and larson victories, one in 243 and one in 3006, both throwing game king home loads, the 243 is 100gn and the 3006 is 150 gn. , both going 2850-2950 fps, with the 243 being the slower of the two. Recoil in both is negligible and gentle, incredibly similar and not even considered when stalking. Powder is H380.
I use both regularly, the 3006 is there for forest red deer, or on the forest edges, to make sure they drop and do not get back into the pine forest, as recovery would be incredibly difficult if they did, even with the argo and winch the forest is so dense it would be tough work. 10 meters into forest you have to crawl into would make for really tough recovery and if a tool significantly reduces the likely hood of problems then it is the tool for me.
The 243 is great for roe, and i use it all the time reds are not in season, or on ground where we have no reds. The 243 is quite adequate to most of my stalking, but the 3006 is by far a better tool for the ranges and difficult terrain that some of my stalking offers. I have never used a 270, so no experience there, but the 3006 can be made into a very sweet and gentle shooting tool, whilst still throwing a decent weight at decent velocity. In my experience i would not be put off the larger 3006 based upon recoil, particularly if you reload.
 
30-06 and Norma Oryx 180gr bullets. There is no need to look further.
They will be perfect for stags and boar.
As others have mentioned the versatility of the calibre is a major factor in deciding. You can go lighter or heavier and know you have a good tool to cover most eventualities.
 
Kalahari said:
Just to really stir the pot, get a 7 x 64, everything the 270 should have been and developed years before. Also it does the 7mm rule in some european countries for boar.

David.
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Never fails to surprise how someone has to recommend something the op wasn’t asking. Well done mate. You win first to do it this time.
 
If the rifle is for U.K. stalking then 270 and 130g rounds will cleanly kill all U.K. deer, before I got my 300wm I also shot plains game including Zebra with the same set up. 30 06 gives a greater range of ammo and delivers a little more energy. I am a fan of the 270 great round and also works well in copper
 
Scotty99 said:
This from the American arifleman website.

"Just more than 90 years ago, the .270 Winchester cartridge—commonly abbreviated “.270 Win.” or referred to simply as the “.270”—was introduced in the Model 54 bolt-action. Based on a simple necking down of the .30-’06 Sprg. case"

Although I have also read that it is a necked down version of the 30-03 on which the .270, .280 and the 30-06 are all based.

it would be interesting to get a definitive position.

How ever both a good and effective rounds, but the 30-06 gets my vote.
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If the 06 is based on the 03, and people claim that the 270 is a necked down 06, that still makes it derived from the 03... but it's the 03 due to length anyway.
 
gixer1 said:
If he hasn’t picked one in 7 years I don’t think he ever will….

I wonder what he went with and if he would change his choice now based on 7 years experience with it though…?

@rodkayak….so what did you go with and how did it work out?
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After reading some of the dribble here probably lost the will to live and took up knitting.
 
Eddie P said:
If the 06 is based on the 03, and people claim that the 270 is a necked down 06, that still makes it derived from the 03... but it's the 03 due to length anyway.
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Yep you could argue that there are all derivatives from the 03, which is probably true.
 
rodkayak said:
I was highland stalking with my 6.5 x 55 and found with 120 gr Barnes homeloads that the rifle was not really up to it on the hill with hyped up stags in the rut. The Forestry who I was shooting with use 270's with 130 grain projectiles(they prefer 140 gr but have to standarize) and I applied for a 270 but have since talked to some of my friends who said that a 30-06 using 140 grain Barnes would be almost as flat and could also be loaded with 220 gr bullets for my annual Croatian wild boar shoots. The 270 would not be as flexible. I still wish to retain the 6.5 x 55 for Roe and Fallow and as my wife's rifle. Any thoughts please before the firearms officer arrives for his chat ?
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Your loads must have been sub par, perhaps low on speed . I do not favour 120 Barnes ttsx but they 100% work withing the sensible range peramiter meaning 2-300 yards max in decent hands , i actually use the 100 grain version ! I have shot all UK deer with them with the exception of Fallow ( i havent shot fallow at all for perhaps 20 years in fact ) Big reds a plenty even out passed the 300 mark . If you really want a different rifle get one but the fault is not the bullet being sent but it might be a tad light on the charge perhaps ?
Its real easy to have a small issue (which might or might not be the velocity) and throw the baby out with the dishwater. I haven't had better performance with the 120 barnes over than the 100 but the issue here isnt the 6.5x55 or which bullet i really believe that 100% ( well so long as the shot is good ) . Are you shooting Factory ammo perhaps ? I have seen many that are performing way under the velocity claimed from various brands . I am not talking from small numbers or even sub 200 yard shooting and your 6.5x55 should easily match or better my 260 rem
On the subject of 270 or 30-06 ? 270 all the way because we do not require the heavier bullets available for the 30-06 in the UK . lets face it i bet there are far more 270s in Scotland alone than there are in the whole of the UK 30-06 but sure they both work , indeed all uk deer rifles function just fine if the load is good , you really should be getting velocities of 2800 or over from a 120 barnes tTSX test it
 
Thanks for your comments. I am now using 127 grain Barnes LRX with the 6.5 x 55. They are very flat shooting. 2.5 cm high at 100m , 2.5 cm low at 200m and 7 cm low at 250 m. 45 grains of Viv N550 load
 
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