My friend has just done likewise , lost a couple of years on his SGC to renew both FAC and SGC in December for five years.
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My friend has just done likewise , lost a couple of years on his SGC to renew both FAC and SGC in December for five years.
doric_prince
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Yeh, ok no going to charge you more on avg per annum. sure that makes sense, until you find your gp will continue to charge you the same for the medical report- or to put it another way 40% more over the 3 years…… sorry officer but that looks like a NMFP issue.
If GPs were forced to put a marker on an FAC holders medical records (rather than it being voluntary), there would be no need for another medical at renewal because the GP is supposed to inform the police if the FAC holder develops any of the listed conditions at any time once a marker goes on their medical record
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Bruce
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Bruce
Does anyone really get asked to keep a record of outings and shots taken / not taken? I've never heard of that before.
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Yes, this does make sense and cheaper as it’s only £65 for a coterminous certificate.. I did the same when I applied for my SGC.
If I want it "opened" before first renewal, that is what several FEO's from my FLD have told me I have to do. I mentioned it to one I met for a land suitability check, and he said why worry, you've only got 2 years till renewal then it will be opened automatically.
Not great when I have lost land 20 miles away in another forces area because no-one would inspect it. Madly, it was inherently safer for firearms than any of my cleared pieces of land
doric_prince
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It is cheaper, but be aware that if like me you’re sgc is due 1 year before your fac you will have to wait till your FAC is due for renewal to go coterminous and then pay your gp again for a second report within 12 months! In effect it will take me a few renewals before the coterminous washes its face, but is less hassle than doing 2!
can you not go coterminous when your SGC is renewed and just lose 1 year of your FAC certificate?
doric_prince
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I wrongly assumed so, feo said no- I checked with basc who confirmed no. Something to do with the legislation drafted being specific so as having to allow the FAC to go to renewal first as the trigger to enable a coterminous ( I also had a air weapon cert in line with the sgc, but the FAC is the paramount trigger in legislation).
Conor O'Gorman
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No. I am now. I will flag with our firearms team in case they are not aware.
That surprises me, this is an attempt by the police to flatten the curve of renewals, its happened in three different licensing areas I've lived in, however I think the improvement is short lived
Jeff8861
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For me this is a breach of the home office guidance. NFLMS is the national database and I can't see how one force could amend the time lines without corrupting the whole system. There is also a conflict if the cert holder who had three years moves home halfway through the process to a force who is still working on the five year periods. In regards to the peak period aspect the administration of completing a renewal will be the same if the certificate runs for three years or fifty years. It's still the same process all that changes is the expiry and the administration process is still the same. Then you have the fees again set by the home office so again how can this be administered. Its a national process where all the forces in England technically should be doing the same process so can't see how one force can go it alone. Additionally I would expect the force concerned to at least submit the proposal to FELWEG for the matter to be discussed. All very strange of you ask me.
Why is it surprising? I presume you're surprised Conor didn't already know?
Sadly, unless people actually tell them (BASC et al.), how are they going to find out? Yes, ideally FLDs will keep the various organisations updated, but at best I think you could expect a monthly bulletin rather than a week by week playby - that's if they got in touch at all...
Hornet
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Extremely good point, and I have learned something, I never knew it was merely voluntary, I always assumed it was a requirement for GPS to put a marker on a patient's file, interesting
Yes I'm surprised BASC didn't know, I first became aware of the practice over 10 years ago in Northumberland (BASC informed by person it concerned), 5 years ago in Oxfordshire, can't recall which area the third instance occured (I move around alot). On paper it makes sense, however due to poor practices within firearms departments it soon clogs up again, as someone quite rightly mentioned, they've had 30 years to come up with a more efficient system, yet still prefer outdated practices
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