Stalker62
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My good reason, (for the .375) was for domestic UK use.
30-06 Too powerful for UK
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My good reason, (for the .375) was for domestic UK use.
This all shows the inconsistency and possibly danger of having FEO's with no knowledge of rifles, sporting use of them and nil of ballistics. Slightly tongue in cheek but this can also apply to ex armed response lads. I sometimes wonder why they get the job, but then most I've met have been ex policemen, so it could be jobs for pals, a bit like MP's.
I get that many stalkers want “more” calibers but from a U.K. stalking point of view what does the 30-06 do that a 308/270 won’t
Bavarianbrit
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Had a Win Model 70 in .338 Win Mag on my FAC Kent that was allowed to be possessed (only for Alaska etc) but it was not allowed to be even fired in the UK on any range not even for scope checking.
enfieldspares
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Feeds better in full length actions using Mauser 98 receivers than does the .308 Winchester and gives better bullet choice than does the .270 WCF which is basically limited to 150 grains maximum weight in most bullets available in the UK. Some of us that cut our teeth on continental calibres prefer heavier bullets and lower velocity so you can hear the strike of the bullet.
Do the deer know that
Dunwaters
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Good luck with that, It’s up to the applicant to provide a good reason the FEO doesn’t have to explain anything, let alone sit down and provide a written explanation like a recalcitrant schoolboy in the headmasters office.
The OP will probably get the /06, but he’s the one that’s going to have to jump through the hoops, not the FEO.
Jon P
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So you are saying then that no deerstalker just stalking in the U.K. has no valid reason to have anything larger then a 308?
Potentially* untrue statement.
*the inclusion of the qualifying word "solely" in the statement above might allude to the need to demonstrate .375 need on PG or DG abroad as a primary criteria. However...
...I used the FOI process to establish how many .375s were set to AOLQ in Devon and Cornwall in 2019. Answer:21.
The Guide on Firearms Licensing Law 2021 is unambiguous. Once good reason is shown for any caliber, it should also be granted aolq.
But individual FEOs take a variety of positions apart from this clear guidance.
That can be due to political pressure or, more likely, a fundamental misunderstanding of relative risk. Per the point in the most recent guide 12.9, once need is demonstrated [domestically and/or abroad] then AOLQ should follow.
And that is just wisdom: you do not want to hobble a shooter's ability to remain proficient with any firearm. Thus any firearm capable of humane despatch should be set to AOLQ status.
In the U.K. context: Hunting boar is dangerous. You could kill a boar with a well-placed .22LR round. But attempting to do so is not ethical IMO. And whilst a 30.06 or .308 are platforms more likely to deliver ethical despatch, .375 or 9.3mm afford an even greater margin of safety in that it is likely to halt a boar's progress and thus prevent injury to the hunter.
A letter to the PCC, copy to the CC's Admin officer ..... Outlining the "Obvious" mistakes.
Me too.
badmolassesaccident
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Thanks for the clarification.
This all shows the inconsistency and possibly danger of having FEO's with no knowledge of rifles, sporting use of them and nil of ballistics. Slightly tongue in cheek but this can also apply to ex armed response lads. I sometimes wonder why they get the job, but then most I've met have been ex policemen, so it could be jobs for pals, a bit like MP's.
It isn't exactly a great perk. It would be a downgrade of a job for former police as it wouldn't pay as well as a police officer with a long length of service. Given it doesn't pay that great (if you are hired as a civilian rather than police doing it) and it is hard to find anyone to do any job right now, it's unrealistic to expect FEOs to have a highly detailed knowledge of every caliber to the level that someone interested in firearms and for who firearms are their primary hobby or profession, would have. Former forces and former police should have some familiarity with firearms, law and policing, they seem a good choice for FEOs. Although I have had 2 FEOs and both have been serving PCs.
Some lack of highly in depth knowledge may be just as well or the police would start to ponder why you can have a 300 PRC or 300 Norma which will have about a 50% hit probability on a man size target at a mile, vs a notionally more powerful large bore hunting caliber which won't be hitting anything at half that distance.
That’s not what my post says, I asked what a 30-06 gives you for U.K. deerstalking that a 308/270 doesn’t
Choice?
Dunwaters
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Why not? Its worth a punt and probably what the FEO is waiting for.
The way I see it is that the FEO has, for whatever reason, decided that the OP already has calibers that cover game shooting in the UK and pretty much the rest of the planet, he’s/she’s testing the applicants commitment by refusing the .30/06 application initially fully expecting an appeal. No appeal no grant, appeal and you get it.
Obstruction used to winnow out the uncommitted.
badmolassesaccident
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Correct, but I don't think we have seen a good reason for a 30-06 yet in this instance.
Leec6.5
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scrap the lot and keep the 30-06
This is the problem with having too many rifles that can do 1 job, your creating chinks in your armour and making the rozzers question your justification
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