EDCM
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Is that not going to be HME?
6.5 PRC
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Actually, a quick Google would imply the answer to that question is "yes".
The anticipated figures of a 180gr projectile at 2950fps would produce 4717J muzzle energy, just above the 4500J that seems to be the definition of HME.
EDCM
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Looking for a non HME so no grief from Bisley NRA.
Here you go again Slash .... It is a little shorter to the neck shoulder junction, and it has a shorter neck than the blaser mag.
The heads slightly different too as is the case length, in fact all of the measurements are different, because it is, essentially, different.
Precision and accuracy aren't words that you associate with really.
It's your 3D'ness shining through again
I will stick to my 264 win mag.
Interesting, that seems to fall behind my .280, 3150 fps for a 145 gr NBT for 62 grains of powder. Albeit I’m shooting a 26” and the 6.5 will have a better BC
You can always load it slightly slower at bisley as you can’t shoot further than 1200 anyway so a mile is out of the question.
But 180 @ 2950 is just shy of 3500 ft-lb, not 4500 but still HME at
The 6.5 with a 156 at 3100 is the same, just over but can be loaded slower which effectively turns it back to a creedmoor!
3479 ft-lbs (180gr at 2950fps) equates to 4717J. As you note, above the 4500J HME limit.
Download the 7mm to a (slightly) more sedate 2880fps and you will scrape in at 4495J, but you will have the irritation of having to prove your ammo to the RCO each time I assume? (Not a range shooter so I have no idea how these things are enforced)
Same with the 6.5 I guess. A 156gr at 3095fps would just skirt in below limit at 4499J, but if you are going to have to go through the rigmarole each time then why not just buy a Creedmoor and have done with it?
To all intents and purposes, yes.
And your suggestion has the added "Blaser" cool-factor obviously; which means it will be more accurate, faster, louder, and shinier than any other 7mm chambering.
Do you think they'd be able to supply carbon fibre cartridges? With leather inlays and contrast stitching...?
My mistake I mis-read your original post.
You would potentially just need to do the HME zeroing procedure which is what the person posting above is trying to avoid. It’s not too onerous and what anyone wanting to shoot copper at Bisley has to do currently
No, but the new 80,000 psi SIG .277 Fury will be kicking every cartridges teeth in (if it ever becomes commercially available...)
But think of the embarrassment of having to use the phrase "Sig Fury" when someone enquires what chambering you are shooting.
It positively reeks of gung-ho, Action Man pretensions.
You just know, if it does become commercially available, that it is destined to be the new 6.5 Creedmoor (skip caps worn backwards, tacti-cool beards, man-buns, lots of webbing and MOLLE pouches etc etc etc...)
Would be interesting to see 26” figures as the above is a way behind my .280 but with a 16” barrel, at that pressure it is going to eat barrels for a pastime and brass is going to be expensive
Was seeing a consultant recently, conversation got on to shooting, had to admit that I owned a creedmoor he said ‘I knew it, you even have the 6.5 haircut’
. (I don’t have a man bun)Was seeing a consultant recently, conversation got on to shooting, had to admit that I owned a creedmoor he said ‘I knew it, you even have the 6.5 haircut’
It is a little known fact that there is a self-test that a gentleman can apply if he ever finds himself considering a man-bun or top-knot.
That test is to ask oneself one simple question: "Is my name Musashi Miyamoto?"
If the answer is "no" then forget the haircut, buy a 6.5 Swede and just get on with it.....
We’ll, pretty much there, hair got long during lockdown, decided to relive my 90’s teen years and got an undercut (stopped short of the man bun, which I may have had back then)…… and I already owned a swede
It is a little known fact that there is a self-test that a gentleman can apply if he ever finds himself considering a man-bun or top-knot.
That test is to ask oneself one simple question: "Is my name Musashi Miyamoto?"
If the answer is "no" then forget the haircut, buy a 6.5 Swede and just get on with it.....
badmolassesaccident
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For EDCM’s post about shooting a mile -
I have some shooting buddies who use a 6.5PRC at extended range. Quite effective in accuracy and high BC efficiency. It’s still a relatively light, relatively small bullet which will be transonic at best at a mile.
You mention avoiding Bisley HME, but personally I had the same decision and decided on a .300 magnum. Already have a 308 and 6.5CM.
To hit things at extended range, you need to be able to see the bullet splash and having a 300 instead of a 6.5 makes that easier.
You have a 308 and 6mm. Just use them at Chobham Ridge or up to about 1100 metres. That’s as far as you will get at Bisley. Then use a 300 for more then that, which won’t be at Bisley and so you probably will not need to worry about HME procedures. Can you see your 6mm splash at 1200m? So you will also have difficulty seeing a 6.5 splash at a mile.
A 300 magnum is still a lot cheaper to run then going full retard with a 37XC, 416 etc and will allow you to push to 2 kilometres once you do the mile. I don’t think you will see a 6.5 splash that far out unless you are shooting into dry dirt, which probably won’t be anywhere in Britain. At least give yourself something to work with, with a high BC, heavy, .300 bullet coming out fast.
Just cough the £25 for the NRA HME course and the flaff of proving zero, if you want to use Bisley as a one off for checking groups.
I have some shooting buddies who use a 6.5PRC at extended range. Quite effective in accuracy and high BC efficiency. It’s still a relatively light, relatively small bullet which will be transonic at best at a mile.
You mention avoiding Bisley HME, but personally I had the same decision and decided on a .300 magnum. Already have a 308 and 6.5CM.
To hit things at extended range, you need to be able to see the bullet splash and having a 300 instead of a 6.5 makes that easier.
You have a 308 and 6mm. Just use them at Chobham Ridge or up to about 1100 metres. That’s as far as you will get at Bisley. Then use a 300 for more then that, which won’t be at Bisley and so you probably will not need to worry about HME procedures. Can you see your 6mm splash at 1200m? So you will also have difficulty seeing a 6.5 splash at a mile.
A 300 magnum is still a lot cheaper to run then going full retard with a 37XC, 416 etc and will allow you to push to 2 kilometres once you do the mile. I don’t think you will see a 6.5 splash that far out unless you are shooting into dry dirt, which probably won’t be anywhere in Britain. At least give yourself something to work with, with a high BC, heavy, .300 bullet coming out fast.
Just cough the £25 for the NRA HME course and the flaff of proving zero, if you want to use Bisley as a one off for checking groups.
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EDCM
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Thank you for the response Bad
I have just outed a Win Mag, A quite enjoyed shooting it at Orion and other places but could not shoot it at Bisley because of the HME restrictions, its not a case of coughing up £25.
Another member and I tried booking a course but there are none available according to the website and haven't been for a while. Our little club does not have any HME RCOs, so no one qualified to do the necessary paper work for the zeroing procedure check.
On my post I asked if there was any other non HME that would fit the requirement, I did think that was a big ask, so it seems that if I want a mile it will have to be HME.
Regarding the splash, we have observed it at 1200yds with a 6.5CM but that extra 500yds is probably pushing it.
Also I found that it was almost impossible to resize the Win Mag brass after it was fired though MY rifle. I had friends try my once fired brass one managed it with a huge struggle the other didn't want to risk getting the case stuck.
Eddie
Eddie
badmolassesaccident
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^ HME courses are regular. Every 2 months or so. Next one is on 9 October. You do not need to own a HME rifle to join the course. Ring the NRA, they aren’t listed on the website. Once you do the NRA HME sign off, you can shoot HME at Bisley, following the zero check each time.
300 win mag is only suitable for long range if you load cartridge length outside SAMMI specs. For off the shelf 300 long range, try 300 PRC. Factory 300 PRC rifles and ammo are available in the U.K.
300 win mag is only suitable for long range if you load cartridge length outside SAMMI specs. For off the shelf 300 long range, try 300 PRC. Factory 300 PRC rifles and ammo are available in the U.K.
badmolassesaccident
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PS to the last message: email kelly dot king (at) nra dot org dot uk to sort out the next Bisley HME course; the next is definitely on 9 Oct.
Wrote the email address like that to stop spam bots harvesting it.
Happy shooting
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Happy shooting
