7x57 accuracy
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Lots of very interesting information there, thanks.
I’d be hand loading and looking at bullet weight around 140-150gr. I also have a few kg on N150 and be keen to utilise that if possible.
I’d be hand loading and looking at bullet weight around 140-150gr. I also have a few kg on N150 and be keen to utilise that if possible.
Shame we can't have these, only reason to get a 7X57
alberta boy
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As much as I'd love a nice FG42 , they were chambered in 7.92x57 ..... you know , the round that's far superior to the 275 Rigby ........... flame suit on he he .
AB
Pine Marten
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Well yes, but I still missed last time I used it in anger. That was because you shouldn't shoot if you can't see....
Heym SR20
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It happens to us all - i missed my first chamois a couple of years ago. Had had a hard climb, was blowing several gaskets, add in some excitement and rushing the shot. Bullet went well high.
Freddie
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With regards to your Schultz and Larsen, would it be possible for you to provide any detail regarding the barrel (length, dia & twist) and bullet weights used please?Another disciple here - I've shot this round for more decades than I really care to admit. I still have two - one is a hand built beast on a Mannlicher Schoenauer action, with a Ferlach barrel, and the other is a modern Schultz & Larsen. I shoot factory and hand loaded ammo and I can honestly say that if a shot is seriously adrift, whether it's on paper or on a beast....it's me, not the rifle. At 100m, I would hope to completely cover three shots with a 10p piece, although I have no idea how that translates into MOA accuracy.
Just for info, a ten pence piece is around 25mm in diameter, which is roughly an inch in old money (no pun intended).
So, on that basis you are definitely within 1 MOA as a maximum and maybe even less depending how tight they are grouped.
Many thanks in anticipation.
My FN49 in 7x57 was a wonderful rifle. Paid a lot back then. Today that money would barely fill the gas tank of my Suburban.
I miss it. The 8x57 version was good too but the 7mm shot, Oh! So well! ~Muir
Back to the OT.
When the 500 meter Metallic Silhouette competition was still being shot with hunting rifles, I used my mannlicher-stocked, custom 7x57 Mauser and FOUR power scope. Off hand, the steel targets were life sized chickens at 200M, pigs at 300M, turkey at 375M and life sized ram sheep at 500M. The 7x57 with my hunting load of a Speer Hot Core 145 and a compressed charge of H4831 did well. The cartridge and rifle were never the cause of a miss. Forty years later that rifle is 'retired' in favor of a 7-08 Tikka. My grandson will get that 7x57 and boast of it's accuracy long after im gone. ~Muir
By the way, these targets were heavy steel plate and had to be knocked over to score -not just hit. The Ram target was 57 pounds.
When the 500 meter Metallic Silhouette competition was still being shot with hunting rifles, I used my mannlicher-stocked, custom 7x57 Mauser and FOUR power scope. Off hand, the steel targets were life sized chickens at 200M, pigs at 300M, turkey at 375M and life sized ram sheep at 500M. The 7x57 with my hunting load of a Speer Hot Core 145 and a compressed charge of H4831 did well. The cartridge and rifle were never the cause of a miss. Forty years later that rifle is 'retired' in favor of a 7-08 Tikka. My grandson will get that 7x57 and boast of it's accuracy long after im gone. ~Muir
By the way, these targets were heavy steel plate and had to be knocked over to score -not just hit. The Ram target was 57 pounds.
Fired from that below - a Model 1912 Chilean long rifle made by Steyr under licence. The right hand pic shows the sights and the camera sees the rearsight 'V' as rather larger than the eye sees it. The tip of the 'partridge' (pyramid form) foresight is visible high and left of the V - couldn't put it in the proper position as there is so little light left between the pair that the camera can't show either well.
These were part of some basic load development, nothing sophisticated or optimised. Not all groups came close to that, two to three inches not uncommon. At the time of shooting, my eyes weren't quite threescore and ten, but nearly there. As they stopped working with such young men's sights some 20 years earlier, the low shot in the second group likely came from the foresight dipping down a fraction in the V.
Having shot both 6.5X55 and 7X57 in similar types of rifle for many years, I'd say that the seven gives nothing at all away to the 6.5 in terms of precision. Both are very effective designs and what is sometimes called 'well balanced'. I can't compare them in more absolute terms as while I have shot 6.5X55 in a modern custom scoped F-Class rifle, my 7X57s have all been historic pieces. You can date these M1912s very closely. Chile accepted the design and placed an order in 1912; deliveries commenced mid 1913; deliveries ceased a little over a year later in 1914 after Austria-Hungary issued its ultimatum to Serbia in response to the Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination in Sarajevo, went onto a war footing, and the bandwagon rolled ever faster towards war. They really are remarkably well designed and made and shoot ridiculously well for 100 + year old rifles if in half decent condition.
Years ago, I read a piece about one such 7X57 long Mauser '98 made by DWM (probably an M1908 Brazilian which is identical to the M1912 markings and a few minor fittings aside) where the author replaced the tangent rearsight leaf with a no-gunsmithing mount and a low power LER pistol scope and proceeded to shoot half to one-MOA groups off the bench with old Portuguese military ammo.
These were part of some basic load development, nothing sophisticated or optimised. Not all groups came close to that, two to three inches not uncommon. At the time of shooting, my eyes weren't quite threescore and ten, but nearly there. As they stopped working with such young men's sights some 20 years earlier, the low shot in the second group likely came from the foresight dipping down a fraction in the V.
Having shot both 6.5X55 and 7X57 in similar types of rifle for many years, I'd say that the seven gives nothing at all away to the 6.5 in terms of precision. Both are very effective designs and what is sometimes called 'well balanced'. I can't compare them in more absolute terms as while I have shot 6.5X55 in a modern custom scoped F-Class rifle, my 7X57s have all been historic pieces. You can date these M1912s very closely. Chile accepted the design and placed an order in 1912; deliveries commenced mid 1913; deliveries ceased a little over a year later in 1914 after Austria-Hungary issued its ultimatum to Serbia in response to the Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination in Sarajevo, went onto a war footing, and the bandwagon rolled ever faster towards war. They really are remarkably well designed and made and shoot ridiculously well for 100 + year old rifles if in half decent condition.
Years ago, I read a piece about one such 7X57 long Mauser '98 made by DWM (probably an M1908 Brazilian which is identical to the M1912 markings and a few minor fittings aside) where the author replaced the tangent rearsight leaf with a no-gunsmithing mount and a low power LER pistol scope and proceeded to shoot half to one-MOA groups off the bench with old Portuguese military ammo.
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