7x64?

[Steff]

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These people either have, or advertise and ability to obtain, a range of posh 7x64 dies.
Might be worth a try?

This is exactly what I did. I bought the Triebel dies! I like it posh.

 

[John Gryphon]

I was shooting my 9.3 x 64 Brenneke 2 days ago (lower) the 7 x 64 Brenneke I sold earlier this year.

I weighed up the 7mm build and thought "why bother" when my 7mm RM has served me for 40 years....hint!

 

[awmc]

I used a 7x64 barrel on my Sauer 202 but changed to .308 (3 years ago) due to the requirement to use lead free ammunition.
I reloaded using 160 GR bullets. I was pleased with the results and was surprised there wasn’t any more appreciable recoil than 6,5x55.
The Sauer 202 barrel is 23/4 inches? which may help. If you’d like to work up from the reloading data I used I’ll dig it out
I found finding and buying reloading dies and cases difficult at first but it turned out like busses, none and then loads. I had Hornady, RCBS and Lee dies and the Lee were best with the inclusion of the crimping die. The cases are available from Ruag (Liskeard) so if you want new Norma or Lapua an RFD can get them for you.
I ought say the 7x64 cost more in time and money than .308 and I haven’t noticed any real difference in performance but I guess that won’t put you off
Good luck

 

[Southern]

Somewhere around 57 to 58 gr of VV N160 behind a 160 gr Sierra or Nosler AB will group and reach out.

 

[scrumbag]

I used a 7x64 barrel on my Sauer 202 but changed to .308 (3 years ago) due to the requirement to use lead free ammunition.
I reloaded using 160 GR bullets. I was pleased with the results and was surprised there wasn’t any more appreciable recoil than 6,5x55.
The Sauer 202 barrel is 23/4 inches? which may help. If you’d like to work up from the reloading data I used I’ll dig it out
I found finding and buying reloading dies and cases difficult at first but it turned out like busses, none and then loads. I had Hornady, RCBS and Lee dies and the Lee were best with the inclusion of the crimping die. The cases are available from Ruag (Liskeard) so if you want new Norma or Lapua an RFD can get them for you.
I ought say the 7x64 cost more in time and money than .308 and I haven’t noticed any real difference in performance but I guess that won’t put you off
Good luck

Not tempted by either the 140gr or 150gr offerings from Barnes? The TTSX looks like it might be just the job.

Scrummy

 

[Dave881]

Thanks for all the info guys, this is incredibly helpful.

Not tempted by either the 140gr or 150gr offerings from Barnes? The TTSX looks like it might be just the job.

Scrummy

I am not overly tempted to stray away from nosler to be honest, I have personally found them to be reliable and accurate in whatever rifle I use. I have had a look at other nosler options and I think for me it would be the 140 grain ballistic tip or the 150 grain accubond LR. Don't really know much about them but they look like they would fit my requirements and have a much higher bc than the 140s which could be good. Any thoughts?

 

[scrumbag]

Hi Dave, was more thinking of the non-lead options. Something I have been thinking about about and from my limited reading / discussing it with people it seems that the Barnes favour being driven a bit faster so going with a lighter weight not a bad thing. Also with the monometal's a 150gr is longer than the equivalent weight lead bullet so will be closer to the lands in our typically "long throated" 7x64s

So, my thinking being

Barnes TTSX BT
140gr - BC 0.412 and OAL 1.361"
150gr - BC 0.450 and OAL 1.433"

Nosler Long Range Accubond
150gr - BC 0.546 and OAL 1.380"

Nosler E-Tip (Their non-lead option)
140gr - BC 0.489 and OAL 1.350"
150gr - BC 0.498 and OAL 1.425"

Now, I would take Nosler's BC number with a pinch of salt because they seem to have a reputation for being a touch "optimistic" so I would be tempted to try the Barnes first if you wanted non-lead as longer bullet for given weight and likely to be closer to the lands and probably not much difference in real world BC.

Now, please don't mistake this for anything bar my own summation after reading around the subject. I have no empiracal data on this.

Also, some say the LR Accubond has not performed so well up close but again no first hand experience...

Anyway, happy to hear your thoughts.

Scrummy

 

[RoeHunter]

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Sold: - 7×64mm Brenneke reloading items

SORRY - WITHDRAWN FOR SALE Having recently sold my 7x64 barrel I now have the following items for sale either individually as priced or as a job lot at (was £160) now reduced to £100 plus postage All the following cases have been made ready for reloading i.e. they just need priming before...

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[Dave881]

Hi Dave, was more thinking of the non-lead options. Something I have been thinking about about and from my limited reading / discussing it with people it seems that the Barnes favour being driven a bit faster so going with a lighter weight not a bad thing. Also with the monometal's a 150gr is longer than the equivalent weight lead bullet so will be closer to the lands in our typically "long throated" 7x64s

So, my thinking being

Barnes TTSX BT
140gr - BC 0.412 and OAL 1.361"
150gr - BC 0.450 and OAL 1.433"

Nosler Long Range Accubond
150gr - BC 0.546 and OAL 1.380"

Nosler E-Tip (Their non-lead option)
140gr - BC 0.489 and OAL 1.350"
150gr - BC 0.498 and OAL 1.425"

Now, I would take Nosler's BC number with a pinch of salt because they seem to have a reputation for being a touch "optimistic" so I would be tempted to try the Barnes first if you wanted non-lead as longer bullet for given weight and likely to be closer to the lands and probably not much difference in real world BC.

Now, please don't mistake this for anything bar my own summation after reading around the subject. I have no empiracal data on this.

Also, some say the LR Accubond has not performed so well up close but again no first hand experience...

Anyway, happy to hear your thoughts

Scrummy

Wow, thanks for taking the time to do that, its really interesting to see the data all together, I will be honest, I haven't really given the non lead options much thought. . I have used nosler for a good few years and have had good results, I have tried other brands bit for me I prefer the nosler. If someone has a few alternatives I could try int the future I would be willing to give them a go. Thanks again for taking the time to look into my query it's a great help and I am really enjoying hear everyone's thoughts.

 

[enfieldspares]

If you are looking for a "future proof" medium calibre to use with non-lead ammunition I'd only recommend one calibre. That's .30". As to whether that's a .308 Winchester or a .30-06 is your choice. The reason I advise .30" is that simply being the most widely available selection of bullets from the American makers it has the widest selection of non-lead bullets in the broadest range of weights. Simply put the .277" and .284" calibres in non lead have availability issues with weight if you want a bullet over 140 grains. If that's important then .30" is the only realistic option.

 

[Steff]

If you are looking for a "future proof" medium calibre to use with non-lead ammunition I'd only recommend one calibre. That's .30". As to whether that's a .308 Winchester or a .30-06 is your choice. The reason I advise .30" is that simply being the most widely available selection of bullets from the American makers it has the widest selection of non-lead bullets in the broadest range of weights. Simply put the .277" and .284" calibres in non lead have availability issues with weight if you want a bullet over 140 grains. If that's important then .30" is the only realistic option.

This is exactly what I would not do, to rely on American suppliers. I am going European these days for powder, bullets, primers and cases.

 

[scrumbag]

That’s interesting Enfield Spares. I would have said with that the changes in Germany towards non-lead regulations I think you’ll see quite a lot of non-lead options in 7mm

Norma have their Eco Strike
RWS seem to have a couple of options
Sax Munitions (found those guys through Reload Swiss, look interesting bullets)
Brenneke have a non lead option I think
Fox bullets

USA seem to like 7mm for various things
Nosler
Barnes
Berger

Peregrine from RSA has quite a few 7mm options

I wouldn’t have said we’re too limited in options there

Scrummy

 

[enfieldspares]

I think you guys might have a valid point re continental 7mm non-lead. Alas though unless you've a shipper in mainland Europe trying, I'm told, RUAG here to get RWS component bullets is very disappointing.

 

[Southern]

140 gr Barnes from a 7x64 will cover a lot of big game, and distance.

 

[scrumbag]

Wow, thanks for taking the time to do that, its really interesting to see the data all together, I will be honest, I haven't really given the non lead options much thought. . I have used nosler for a good few years and have had good results, I have tried other brands bit for me I prefer the nosler. If someone has a few alternatives I could try int the future I would be willing to give them a go. Thanks again for taking the time to look into my query it's a great help and I am really enjoying hear everyone's thoughts.

No worries.

I like Nosler myself - Had good luck with the 120gr Nosler Partitions on a 257 Roberts and because the 62gr Federal Fusion .223 Rem rounds are becoming hard to find, considering loading the 60gr Nosler Partition as munty medicine.

Also if I ever get round to it, might reload the 250gr Accubond onto the 9.3x62 for something a bit flatter shooting

Scrummy

 

[alberta boy]

No worries.

I like Nosler myself - Had good luck with the 120gr Nosler Partitions on a 257 Roberts and because the 62gr Federal Fusion .223 Rem rounds are becoming hard to find, considering loading the 60gr Nosler Partition as munty medicine.

Also if I ever get round to it, might reload the 250gr Accubond onto the 9.3x62 for something a bit flatter shooting

Scrummy

I've used the 250 gr Accubonds in my 9.3's , excellent bullets . They hold together on bigger animals in close and do flatten trajectory for longer shots , definitely worth a try .

AB

 

[Dave881]

Thanks for all the responses guys, out of interest, what powders are people using in this cartridge?

 

[scrumbag]

I've used the 250 gr Accubonds in my 9.3's , excellent bullets . They hold together on bigger animals in close and do flatten trajectory for longer shots , definitely worth a try .

AB

Oh alright then... If I must

Also contemplating the Barnes...

 

[scrumbag]

Thanks for all the responses guys, out of interest, what powders are people using in this cartridge?

In my limited reloading (160gr TMKs for target work) I've had good luck with N160.

Scrummy

 

[Flash9919]

Thanks for all the responses guys, out of interest, what powders are people using in this cartridge?

Rl22, n160 or any other slow burning powder. Have tried to use rl26 which is pretty much rocket fuel in terms of velocity but struggle to beat 22 accuracy wise.