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Shotgunspud and "nibbles" might have something to add here?
Alex are you there?
Alex are you there?
A cry for help from an S.D member
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bobjs
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fantastic thread,
I have felt this and just the other night pulled the trigger on 2 fox cubs that from a distance where just another fox, then when up close they are rather nice looking wee things so respect was shown and they where placed well away from the area shot so as not to distress any other cubs,
i will be back in the same area and may feel the same this time before i pull the trigger, but i will pull it just the same and show what ever is there the same respect.
bob.
I have felt this and just the other night pulled the trigger on 2 fox cubs that from a distance where just another fox, then when up close they are rather nice looking wee things so respect was shown and they where placed well away from the area shot so as not to distress any other cubs,
i will be back in the same area and may feel the same this time before i pull the trigger, but i will pull it just the same and show what ever is there the same respect.
bob.
Could not have put it any better than this, Frankly, if you don't have a moment of doubt and compassion every time you pull the trigger, then you probably shouldn't possess a gun. It's that essential humanity that distances the true hunter and outdoorsman from the cold blooded killer. A true outdoorsman loves the animals he pursues. He knows them intimately, their habits and their behaviours, and with this has to come a certain amount of respect. It's this respect that drives me to ensure that anything I slip the trigger on will die a quick, humane death that's as instant and painless as I can possibly make it.
swarovski
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I too have the odd moment of guilt,I was crow shooting from a Hyde a couple of years ago and Charlie came wandering up towards the Hyde,up I got boom,I thought strait after did I need to do that and shook my head at myself,just instinct I guess after all these years of doing it.
Sinistral
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I don't shoot fox cubs for lots of reasons. Their natural mortality rate is high. They're too much like fish-in-a-barrel so not really a sporting proposition. They don't threaten my interests at all as I'm a stalker rather than a gameshooter.
I prefer to watch them, and they do brighten up blank outings. Sorry if that upsets anyone but that's my stance, and one I'm absolutely content with.
I prefer to watch them, and they do brighten up blank outings. Sorry if that upsets anyone but that's my stance, and one I'm absolutely content with.
and here's me thinking I was soft. As said before it's not always about the kill, sometimes just happy to sit and watch...
25-06 Rem
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I disagree slightly Matt, Ive never had doubt, compasion or even felt guilty, when i pull the trigger. The foxes get shot because they take the phesants and my chickens, anything else that gets shot goes in my freezer, if the freezers full it doesnt get shot. This doesnt mean i shouldnt possess a gun.
Triggermortis
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[ They don't threaten my interests at all as I'm a stalker rather than a gameshooter.
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Sorry,am i missing something here? with all due respect, do foxes not take fawns then?
Canadian Journal of Zoology/Revue Canadienne de Zoologie [CAN. J. ZOOL./REV. CAN. ZOOL.]. Vol. 74, no. 10, pp. 1857-1865. Oct 1996.
Red fox (Vulpes vulpes) predation on roe deer (Capreolus capreolus) fawns was studied using radiotelemetry techniques on an island in central Norway. Red foxes killed 48% of the monitored roe deer fawns within 60 days of birth, and mortality from other factors constituted only a minor part (5%) of the total mortality. The predation rate was lower in first week of life than during the subsequent 3 weeks. Male roe deer fawns were four times more susceptible to red fox predation than female fawns. We argue that these results reflect differences in behaviour between the sexes. There were some indications that time of birth may be important in determining vulnerability of fawns to red fox predation, with fawns born during the birth peak suffering more predation than fawns born outside the peak. The type of habitat a roe deer fawn used appeared to influence the probability of being killed by a red fox, and our results supported the hypothesis that hiding is a strategy to avoid predation in dense habitats. Fawns killed by red foxes used open grassland significantly more than surviving fawns, which used woodland to a greater extent.
Tikkat3
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Sorry,am i missing something here? with all due respect, do foxes not take fawns then?
Canadian Journal of Zoology/Revue Canadienne de Zoologie [CAN. J. ZOOL./REV. CAN. ZOOL.]. Vol. 74, no. 10, pp. 1857-1865. Oct 1996.
Red fox (Vulpes vulpes) predation on roe deer (Capreolus capreolus) fawns was studied using radiotelemetry techniques on an island in central Norway. Red foxes killed 48% of the monitored roe deer fawns within 60 days of birth, and mortality from other factors constituted only a minor part (5%) of the total mortality. The predation rate was lower in first week of life than during the subsequent 3 weeks. Male roe deer fawns were four times more susceptible to red fox predation than female fawns. We argue that these results reflect differences in behaviour between the sexes. There were some indications that time of birth may be important in determining vulnerability of fawns to red fox predation, with fawns born during the birth peak suffering more predation than fawns born outside the peak. The type of habitat a roe deer fawn used appeared to influence the probability of being killed by a red fox, and our results supported the hypothesis that hiding is a strategy to avoid predation in dense habitats. Fawns killed by red foxes used open grassland significantly more than surviving fawns, which used woodland to a greater extent.
Tikkat3
LOL..I was dreading you picking up on this thread..come on John give it to us
SussexFallow
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I had one of those momoents last week. While out stalking I saw 2 fox cubs creeping along a field. A quick squeek saw them run in to 10 yards . Lowering my binos gave me away as they stopped in their tracks. Lucky day for them I was on the boundary and they were the wrong side of the fence!!!
ATB Steve
ATB Steve
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Sorry buddy not me going to tell tales, pm alex about the thread, he will tell the story as it happened i'm sure.LOL..I was dreading you picking up on this thread..come on John give it to us
Think it might even be on here already somewhere?
LOL
there you go post 14
http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/27340-Nibbles-and-shotgunspud.
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Triggermortis
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Question - How many of you that don't/won't shoot cubs have vermin/foxes on your ticket ? and how many will be having the fox condition taken off as if you don't shoot them you don't need the condition on your ticket?
tikkat3
tikkat3
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And what about their impact on hares and ground nesting birds, other than game?
They just dont kill pheasants you know. We have got a nice few lapwings and curlews and even short eared owls again now, thanks to set aside in part and around here no one lets foxy go.
csl
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I don't mind admitting that I find foxes endearing and fascinating creatures (like deer actually 
) and I usually feel a pang when I shoot them. Everywhere I stalk/shoot has game shoots or livestock so I do shoot them because there are other people depending on it.
It's easier to be more sentimental about them when your livelihood doesn't depend on it for sure but apart from a bit of tongue in cheek ribbing I don't think anyone deserves real scorn for sparing one. A bit of empathy for your quarry is healthy in my opinion!
Alex
) and I usually feel a pang when I shoot them. Everywhere I stalk/shoot has game shoots or livestock so I do shoot them because there are other people depending on it.It's easier to be more sentimental about them when your livelihood doesn't depend on it for sure but apart from a bit of tongue in cheek ribbing I don't think anyone deserves real scorn for sparing one. A bit of empathy for your quarry is healthy in my opinion!
Alex
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Irish Bob
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lol....
Watched three fox cubs playing with a rabbit skin last night 20m over on the other guys boundary, but didn't feel anything but enthrawled. Then had a doe come within 20m less than 20mins later. Left a young buck carcass for my mate Willie and family and slept like a lord. Who knows what motivates us to do this job?
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