A rant about coarse fishing and river woes

[Nickb]

Nothing at all.
I fully agree with you.

Bloody hell, you feeling alright

 

[Bowland blades]

Shoot on sight if in season.
Personally I think it should be legal to night shoot too in England.

There is a big difference in Night culling deer on a large Scottish Estate and doing the same In the vast majority of England's so called countryside . Shooting Fox is bad enough here regards accidents .

 

[Bowland blades]

What is unethical about night shooting, would reduce the population quite a bit.
Why is it ok to shoot foxes , hares and rabbits at night but not deer ?

I have never shot a Hare at night , when did a Hare a game animal be ok to kill after sunset?

 

[VSS]

I have never shot a Hare at night , when did a Hare a game animal be ok to kill after sunset?

Nothing to say you can't shoot hares at night, as far as I know. The fact they're "game" makes no difference. And besides that, they can also be shot for pest control purposes (crop protection) by tenants and occupiers who do not hold sporting rights, just like rabbits and deer can.

 

[shakey jake]

I have never shot a Hare at night , when did a Hare a game animal be ok to kill after sunset?

When was it not ok?

 

[Stevie/P]

Thought this thread was about fishing

 

[Nickb]

I have never shot a Hare at night , when did a Hare a game animal be ok to kill after sunset?

Always, just shows what little you know.

 

[Nickb]

There is a big difference in Night culling deer on a large Scottish Estate and doing the same In the vast majority of England's so called countryside . Shooting Fox is bad enough here regards accidents .

Pretty straightforward actually.
See deer , shoot deer not difficult.

 

[sh1kar]

Always, just shows what little you know.

The Law​

There are no specific legal restrictions on the night shooting of foxes. Authorised persons may legally carry out this form of fox control. Ensure that you comply with previous guidance in this code.

The night shooting of rabbits and hares by tenants or occupiers of land, who are not the owners of the land, is subject to the following restrictions. These do not apply to landowners, but they should be aware of the legal restrictions on shooting hares at night:

The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 7) amended Section 6 of the Ground Game Act 1880 and Section 50 of the Agricultural (Scotland) Act 1948, to allow night shooting of ground game under certain conditions.

England and Wales​

It is lawful for the occupier of any land himself, or one other person authorised by him, to use firearms for the purpose of killing ground game at night if the occupier has the written authority of a person entitled to kill or take the ground game on their land, e.g. the holder of shooting rights (except where the occupier has the exclusive rights). The following conditions apply:

1. No person should be authorised by the occupier to kill ground game except:

• Members of his household resident on the land in his occupation.
• Persons in his ordinary service on such land, e.g. employees.
• Any other person, bona fide employed by him for reward in taking and destruction of ground game. The keeping of ground game satisfies the requirements of reward in the absence of money.

2. Every person so authorised by the occupier, on demand by any other person having a concurrent right or any person so authorised by him in writing, must produce their written authority. In default, a person would not be deemed to be an ‘authorised person’.

 

[Bo Diddley]

The Law​

There are no specific legal restrictions on the night shooting of foxes. Authorised persons may legally carry out this form of fox control. Ensure that you comply with previous guidance in this code.

The night shooting of rabbits and hares by tenants or occupiers of land, who are not the owners of the land, is subject to the following restrictions. These do not apply to landowners, but they should be aware of the legal restrictions on shooting hares at night:

The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 7) amended Section 6 of the Ground Game Act 1880 and Section 50 of the Agricultural (Scotland) Act 1948, to allow night shooting of ground game under certain conditions.

England and Wales​

It is lawful for the occupier of any land himself, or one other person authorised by him, to use firearms for the purpose of killing ground game at night if the occupier has the written authority of a person entitled to kill or take the ground game on their land, e.g. the holder of shooting rights (except where the occupier has the exclusive rights). The following conditions apply:

1. No person should be authorised by the occupier to kill ground game except:

• Members of his household resident on the land in his occupation.
• Persons in his ordinary service on such land, e.g. employees.
• Any other person, bona fide employed by him for reward in taking and destruction of ground game. The keeping of ground game satisfies the requirements of reward in the absence of money.

2. Every person so authorised by the occupier, on demand by any other person having a concurrent right or any person so authorised by him in writing, must produce their written authority. In default, a person would not be deemed to be an ‘authorised person’.

A piece of antiquated legislation from a time long, long ago, when we used to send a man to Australia for taking a rabbit to feed his family. It's shameful that this country is so slow to keep up with the changing pace that they are unable to draft new legislation on such things.

 

[VSS]

A piece of antiquated legislation from a time long, long ago, when we used to send a man to Australia for taking a rabbit to feed his family. It's shameful that this country is so slow to keep up with the changing pace that they are unable to draft new legislation on such things.

I believe the ground game act was enacted to give tenants and non landowning occupiers greater freedom to kill rabbits, not less.
Prior to the ground game act, a tenant farmer could indeed be in serious trouble for killing a rabbit on the land that he himself farmed, and it was to counter this injustice that the ground game act was created.

 

[Nickb]

The Law​

There are no specific legal restrictions on the night shooting of foxes. Authorised persons may legally carry out this form of fox control. Ensure that you comply with previous guidance in this code.

The night shooting of rabbits and hares by tenants or occupiers of land, who are not the owners of the land, is subject to the following restrictions. These do not apply to landowners, but they should be aware of the legal restrictions on shooting hares at night:

The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 7) amended Section 6 of the Ground Game Act 1880 and Section 50 of the Agricultural (Scotland) Act 1948, to allow night shooting of ground game under certain conditions.

England and Wales​

It is lawful for the occupier of any land himself, or one other person authorised by him, to use firearms for the purpose of killing ground game at night if the occupier has the written authority of a person entitled to kill or take the ground game on their land, e.g. the holder of shooting rights (except where the occupier has the exclusive rights). The following conditions apply:

1. No person should be authorised by the occupier to kill ground game except:

• Members of his household resident on the land in his occupation.
• Persons in his ordinary service on such land, e.g. employees.
• Any other person, bona fide employed by him for reward in taking and destruction of ground game. The keeping of ground game satisfies the requirements of reward in the absence of money.

2. Every person so authorised by the occupier, on demand by any other person having a concurrent right or any person so authorised by him in writing, must produce their written authority. In default, a person would not be deemed to be an ‘authorised person’.

As stated hares can legally be shot at night

 

[Bo Diddley]

I believe the ground game act was enacted to give tenants and non landowning occupiers greater freedom to kill rabbits, not less.
Prior to the ground game act, a tenant farmer could indeed be in serious trouble for killing a rabbit on the land that he himself farmed, and it was to counter this injustice that the ground game act was created.

Ah. I'm wrong again

 

[Bowland blades]

Always, just shows what little you know.

I did not say illegal , just a very poor practice ethically , too easy to be sport and you will struggle to give them away .

 

[VSS]

I did not say illegal , just a very poor practice ethically , too easy to be sport and you will struggle to give them away .

So, are you suggesting that in order to be "ethical" a shot should be more difficult?
If so, that's just plain bonkers.
The most ethical shot is the one that gives the highest chance of a clean kill. And if that means the easiest, then so be it.

 

[shakey jake]

I did not say illegal , just a very poor practice ethically , too easy to be sport and you will struggle to give them away .

Its got to be more ethical to kill with a clean shot on a still animal.
I really struggle to understand your logic sometimes

 

[Bowland blades]

Its got to be more ethical to kill with a clean shot on a still animal.
I really struggle to understand your logic sometimes

I shall explain then . Hares do very little damage to Grazing , as they take a bite here and there now and again . Rabbits will create bald patches in they eat all around them and they don't dig ruddy great holes ! You put a lamp on a Hare and they hardly ever run , if you stand still frequently the Hare will come right up to you out of its own accord , I have had them literally sniff my boots in broad daylight .
Rabbits are Vermin , Hares are Game the charge was " taking Game after sunset " .

 

[shakey jake]

I shall explain then . Hares do very little damage to Grazing , as they take a bite here and there now and again . Rabbits will create bald patches in they eat all around them and they don't dig ruddy great holes ! You put a lamp on a Hare and they hardly ever run , if you stand still frequently the Hare will come right up to you out of its own accord , I have had them literally sniff my boots in broad daylight .
Rabbits are Vermin , Hares are Game the charge was " taking Game after sunset " .

Hares can be shot all year round as vermin. They do massive damage to market gardens and trees.
By your own words lamping is more ethical.
Your charge makes no sense
But thank you for trying to explain

 

[jthyttin]

The most ethical shot is the one that gives the highest chance of a clean kill. And if that means the easiest, then so be it.

Actually you need to define your values before you can do ethical valuation (in lack of better word). It's purely theoretical and from layman perspective it gets ugly very fast. I propose we don't go there...

 

[Nickb]

I shall explain then . Hares do very little damage to Grazing , as they take a bite here and there now and again . Rabbits will create bald patches in they eat all around them and they don't dig ruddy great holes ! You put a lamp on a Hare and they hardly ever run , if you stand still frequently the Hare will come right up to you out of its own accord , I have had them literally sniff my boots in broad daylight .
Rabbits are Vermin , Hares are Game the charge was " taking Game after sunset " .

Depends where you lamp them , I've shot them on places where as soon as lamp goes on they're off.

Have you shot hares at night ?