?abscess on mesenteric chain

[Ross22]

Shot this doe this morning, moving normally, good condition but no fat internally. Few hard lumps on the edges of the lungs, but the main issue is this large abscess on the mesenteric chain, about the size of a ping pong ball. Incised it and it’s filled with hard cottage cheese/pus.

It’s for home consumption, so the question is do I consume or condem?

 

[sh1kar]

How are the retro pharyngeal and sub maxillary?

 

[Ross22]

Seem normal to me. There is an odd ‘attachment’ to the chest cavity

 

[Dunwaters]

3 choices, sell it and note the abnormality on the docket..
Use it yourself or dump it.
I personally wouldn’t use it myself because if you keep the whole carcass you will have a very high personal level of exposure to what could be TB.

 

[Heym SR20]

I wouldn’t eat that. Hard lumps in lungs? As others have said, suspect TB which is notifiable disease. I would notify Veterinary Authorities, but consult landowner first. I would also clean yourself very thoroughly and wash your clothing on a hot wash. Pay close attention to your health and if concerned see a doctor.

With that size of lymph node, pretty much the whole body and blood system is infected. The nodules on the rib cage are others signs of infection.

Definitely DO NOT EAT.

 

[devon deer stalker]

but consult landowner first.

Why?

 

[Heym SR20]

Why?

If it was on my ground I would talking to the landowner - shot a deer with nasty infection, suspect possible TB, which is a notifiable disease. Suggest we speak to your farm vet in the first instance.

This is just good manners especially if livestock are concerned.

I doubt any landowner would be best pleased if you informed the authorities and they turned up mob handed and unannounced.

If the landowner doesn’t want the authorities informed you then have an issue.

 

[Ross22]

Thanks for the advice, I have contacted the duty vet and forwarded images. They are sending someone to investigate.
Deer was shot in a private garden so no livestock nearby, but landowner has been informed.

Off for a hot shower now!

 

[huntsman]

I would wouldn’t eat it anyway, it would be interesting to know TB status of the farms nearby. I got one recently and will post pics shortly for information purposes.

 

[John Gryphon]

There is an odd ‘attachment’ to the chest cavity

Start of pleurisy?

 

[devon deer stalker]

If it was on my ground I would talking to the landowner - shot a deer with nasty infection, suspect possible TB, which is a notifiable disease. Suggest we speak to your farm vet in the first instance.

This is just good manners especially if livestock are concerned.

I doubt any landowner would be best pleased if you informed the authorities and they turned up mob handed and unannounced.

If the landowner doesn’t want the authorities informed you then have an issue.

I thought you were insinuating ask the landowner first to make the decision, which of course it isn't, it's a notifiable disease, there is a common misconception that the farm will go under restrictions if a case of TB is confirmed, it won't, as it's a wild animal.

I remember on here many years ago a chap posted photo's of what appeared to be a fallow deer riddled with TB, 'the farmer dealt with it as he didn't want to be under restrictions'.

 

[Loler UK]

I thought you were insinuating ask the landowner first to make the decision, which of course it isn't, it's a notifiable disease, there is a common misconception that the farm will go under restrictions if a case of TB is confirmed, it won't, as it's a wild animal.

I remember on here many years ago a chap posted photo's of what appeared to be a fallow deer riddled with TB, 'the farmer dealt with it as he didn't want to be under restrictions'.

Testing frequency has been increased in several areas as a result of TB being confirmed in wild deer in the area. That's no reason to cover it up though

 

[Heym SR20]

I thought you were insinuating ask the landowner first to make the decision, which of course it isn't, it's a notifiable disease, there is a common misconception that the farm will go under restrictions if a case of TB is confirmed, it won't, as it's a wild animal.

I remember on here many years ago a chap posted photo's of what appeared to be a fallow deer riddled with TB, 'the farmer dealt with it as he didn't want to be under restrictions'.

I wasn’t suggesting to let the landowner make the decision. There is a legal obligation to report.

But as I said in follow up post if landowner/ farmer doesn’t want you to do so you have an issue. Do you fulfil your legal obligations or do you upset the person from whom are taking the stalking - a difficult decision.

It’s one of those discussions that should be done at the beginning of the relationship, along with boundaries, relationships with neighbours etc. ie. “if we shoot a deer with a suspected notifiable disease we will have to report it to veterinary authorities”. If the landowner strongly objects, I would carefully about stalking on that land.

 

[StephenToast]

Some terrible advice on here.

I would suspect TB. - TB is a notifiable disease. Contact the APHA and follow their advice. Not the Stalking Directory.

03000 200 301

 

[TH757]

This is TB if you think it’s similar to what you see on the carsass destroy the carcass

 

[moonstone gsp]

This is TB if you think it’s similar to what you see on the carsass destroy the carcass

How do you ‘destroy’ the carcass.? Genuine question.

 

[Puds]

This was in a muntjac that the APHA confirmed was positive for TB.

 

[finnbear270]

Carcase destruction is normally done by incineration.

 

[South of the M4]

I wouldn’t eat that. Hard lumps in lungs? As others have said, suspect TB which is notifiable disease. I would notify Veterinary Authorities, but consult landowner first. I would also clean yourself very thoroughly and wash your clothing on a hot wash. Pay close attention to your health and if concerned see a doctor.

With that size of lymph node, pretty much the whole body and blood system is infected. The nodules on the rib cage are others signs of infection.

Definitely DO NOT EAT.

Crikey, I don't know where to start - I'm to saying it is not indicative of TB, but....
bTB is rather hard to catch. I wrote about this a while ago here, which still applies. Washing yourself thoroughly and your clothes on a hot wash is very OTT.
And why would the size of a lymph node mean the whole body and blood system is infected. What about 2 smaller infected nodes, equalling the same mass? I don't think your thoughts are based on any evidence, it's scaremongering.
Send a sample to Alpha, keep calm and carry on.

 

[Heym SR20]

Crikey, I don't know where to start - I'm to saying it is not indicative of TB, but....
bTB is rather hard to catch. I wrote about this a while ago here, which still applies. Washing yourself thoroughly and your clothes on a hot wash is very OTT.
And why would the size of a lymph node mean the whole body and blood system is infected. What about 2 smaller infected nodes, equalling the same mass? I don't think your thoughts are based on any evidence, it's scaremongering.
Send a sample to Alpha, keep calm and carry on.

Not over the top at all. And not trying to scaremonger. Multiple abscesses are a sign of serious infection. The lymph nodes are where the body is trying to fight the infection and major enlarging is serious infection.

Washing yourself and clothes is just good hygiene. You have no real clue as to what the animal is infected with. It may or may not be infectious to man. But take a sample and sending it off. It may be a few days to get results. If it is something nasty may be a few days that lets infection take hold. I suppose you would by then know why you feeling ill.

A fundamental basic rule is not to eat sick animals.