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I shot a yearling hind this morning and it appeared to be in fine health. Skin good and great weight. Behaving properly and jumped a good fence before the shot. When I got to the hind I though she was heavily pregnant as she appeared to be big and heavy.

Anyway when I was processing her I noticed that she had a very enlarged spleen. It was nearly twice the size of her liver (which seemed slightly small). The spleen was full of blood. Her liver had a few very hard lumps through it. The photos here show the lumps having been incised. There was no puss in the lumps.


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She was not pregnant and her reproductive system was spotted with tiny pink lumps. She had a hard lump in one of her fallopian tubes ( I think that is what you call them) and pus in her uterus when incised. I did not manage to photograph this though.


One of her kidneys was fine but the other had a watery lump on it and when incised had a fluid with some small lumps in it. Again I have tried to capture this with the photos here

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Her lungs were fine and both the retropharyngeal and submandibular lymph nodes were fine. They were slightly hard but not something I would consider a problem. Her mesenteric chain was fine except for one node which was slightly enlarged and a little hard but otherwise fine

Any suggestions as to what all this is and even more important is the meat ok for human consumption????
 
Update on the above now that I am back at the larder. I found these throughout the chest cavity. Are they TB nodes??1675267826338.webp
 
I'd be sending it for testing to be honest. Are you in an area where TB is prevalent?

Also for future, rightly or wrongly, I was advised by a head FC Ranger years ago NOT to cut in to the nodes if enlarged and TB is suspected. It makes sense not to but curiosity and all...
 
Ranger6555 said:
Send it for testing as an enlarged spleen could be an Anthrax indicator
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Unlikely, but if it is then the OP has already broken just about every rule in the book, and now ought to incinerate his clothing, take a bath in disinfectant and isolate himself. Let's hope not, eh?
 
Going back to my red meat inspection days 99% TB, Used to see it early 80s before on farm testing became widespread. When suffering for a while the spleen does become enlarged Report to DEFRA as I believe its still notifiable but may be wrong
 
Definitely TB but not sure what the infections in the liver and kidneys were. Maybe they were the intial sites of the TB that were walled off.
 
How would one dispose of this carcass? Or any carcass that is deemed unfit for the food chain?
Local knackers yard? Ring the local vet or animal health departement?
Thanks.
 
I think the chest cavity nodules look exactly like those one would expect to find in a case of TB. They don’t appear to be very prominent but I would be surprised if this animal didn’t have TB.
 
Adam204 said:
How would one dispose of this carcass? Or any carcass that is deemed unfit for the food chain?
Local knackers yard? Ring the local vet or animal health departement?
Thanks.
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Since bTB is a notifiable diseases the first thing you should do is call APHA. They will come and take samples, when they will also advise on disposal. You can do this from home, if that's where you've taken the carcase.

APHA may issue you with a form titled "Notice requiring detention and isolation of Affected or Suspected Aninaks and Prohibiting Movement of Deer and their Carcases". I've reported bTB in deer to APHA twice now - in the first case I didn't get the form, in the second I did. So a 50:50 chance!

First off, double-bag the carcase.

The options for licensed disposal are to take the carcase either to the local knackers yard or the local hunt - with the latter it is not that the carcase will be fed to the hounds, but rather that they will have animal waste that is destined for incineration.

Whichever you use, ask for a receipt. This can then be sent (if necessary) to APHA to show that the carcase was legally disposed of.

It might sound a bit of a faff, but in reality it's all very easy.
 
willie_gunn said:
Since bTB is a notifiable diseases the first thing you should do is call APHA. They will come and take samples, when they will also advise on disposal. You can do this from home, if that's where you've taken the carcase.

APHA may issue you with a form titled "Notice requiring detention and isolation of Affected or Suspected Aninaks and Prohibiting Movement of Deer and their Carcases". I've reported bTB in deer to APHA twice now - in the first case I didn't get the form, in the second I did. So a 50:50 chance!

First off, double-bag the carcase.

The options for licensed disposal are to take the carcase either to the local knackers yard or the local hunt - with the latter it is not that the carcase will be fed to the hounds, but rather that they will have animal waste that is destined for incineration.

Whichever you use, ask for a receipt. This can then be sent (if necessary) to APHA to show that the carcase was legally disposed of.

It might sound a bit of a faff, but in reality it's all very easy.
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Thank you for this reply. Very much appreciated.
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As @willie_gunn states, it is a notifiable disease, you suspected it, so, first port of call APHA, not the SD, it is a legal requirement, it can be a ball ache but we ALL have to do it.
So many posts appear on here asking the same question, get advice from the APHA, and in a few months times you will get a result.

If you take it to the game dealers (after speaking to the APHA) make a note on the tag (if it's very infected don't) and you have met the regulations, it's up to the game dealer then, they might refuse, but they also might be helpful and dispose of it for you, although there might be a cost.
 
SikaHunter said:
Hi all

I shot a yearling hind this morning and it appeared to be in fine health. Skin good and great weight. Behaving properly and jumped a good fence before the shot. When I got to the hind I though she was heavily pregnant as she appeared to be big and heavy.

Anyway when I was processing her I noticed that she had a very enlarged spleen. It was nearly twice the size of her liver (which seemed slightly small). The spleen was full of blood. Her liver had a few very hard lumps through it. The photos here show the lumps having been incised. There was no puss in the lumps.


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She was not pregnant and her reproductive system was spotted with tiny pink lumps. She had a hard lump in one of her fallopian tubes ( I think that is what you call them) and pus in her uterus when incised. I did not manage to photograph this though.


One of her kidneys was fine but the other had a watery lump on it and when incised had a fluid with some small lumps in it. Again I have tried to capture this with the photos here

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Her lungs were fine and both the retropharyngeal and submandibular lymph nodes were fine. They were slightly hard but not something I would consider a problem. Her mesenteric chain was fine except for one node which was slightly enlarged and a little hard but otherwise fine

Any suggestions as to what all this is and even more important is the meat ok for human consumption????
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I would say you have several things going on here. Pus in the uterus suggests a previous retrained foetus which has now decomposed and this would account for her not being pregnant and the lump on the ovary. Kidney sounds like cysts which can be single or multiple. Can affect one or both kidneys. Enlarged lymph nodes suggest a generalised response and if you are in a TB area could be that or response to uterine changes??? As someone else said you should not really incise lymph nodes. for your own safety and spread of infection. Spleen may be several things and as others have said history pathology is there only way to be sure. Anyway I would most definitely not put this in the food chain.
Good reason for wearing disposable gloves when opening an abdomen, I do so for every deer I shoot now. Personal safety really important.
 
hendrix's rifle said:
I'd be sending it for testing to be honest. Are you in an area where TB is prevalent?

Also for future, rightly or wrongly, I was advised by a head FC Ranger years ago NOT to cut in to the nodes if enlarged and TB is suspected. It makes sense not to but curiosity and all...
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'Don't cut into them and inhale the spores of an infected LN' would be more accurate, luckily most of us have a lot of spare facemasks post Covid so pop one in your pocket/roesack, I use my snood facemask that I use for stalking
 
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