?abscess on mesenteric chain

[Ross22]

I have been told, that initially there was slim to no chance of this being TB, but got a call from the APHA vet saying the pathology lab were now more concerned having seen the cysts. I have been told the results will be ready by the end of next week. I have arranged collection and incineration of the carcass by the fallen stock service. On the whole I have been very impressed with the support from APHA.
I will update on here when I hear back.

 

[Alex88]

There are a number of things that can cause lesions and lumps like that, some of you are assuming it's TB by outward appearance. The lesions would need culturing in a laboratory for confirmation. Meat from TB positive cattle does go in to the food chain. That's why farmers only get their compensation if the animal is out of any drug withdrawal periods, and we're not allowed to use any drugs on the first day of a TB skin test.

 

[Ross22]

Had a call from the APHA today to notify me that they were unable to grow TB from the carcass, so are classing it as non-TB.

As stated earlier I have been very impressed with my contact with APHA and would strongly encourage any stalker to contact them if they have a suspect carcass.

 

[Buchan]

Good, but a bit soon to call that I'd have thought, it's normally 12 weeks before they call it no growth.

 

[Everlong]

Not over the top at all. And not trying to scaremonger. Multiple abscesses are a sign of serious infection. The lymph nodes are where the body is trying to fight the infection and major enlarging is serious infection.

Washing yourself and clothes is just good hygiene. You have no real clue as to what the animal is infected with. It may or may not be infectious to man. But take a sample and sending it off. It may be a few days to get results. If it is something nasty may be a few days that lets infection take hold. I suppose you would by then know why you feeling ill.

A fundamental basic rule is not to eat sick animals.

I was recently advised by the local APHA vet I contacted with a suspected case of TB in a Roe Doe that TB reactive cattle still enter the human food chain so even if the deer was positive I'd be ok to eat it.....

 

[Everlong]

They get incinerated

Quote from my APHA vet

"Bear in mind that you could still eat the meat since even TB cattle reactors get processed for human consumption – M. bovis doesn’t tend to make to the muscle tissue, however in your case we can’t be certain what other bug has made those lymphs react. If you were to finally dispose of the whole carcase, you can do so using your regular disposal enterprise for animal by-products."

Name withheld
Senior Veterinary Inspector
Southern Delivery Area 1 (SDA1): Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex, Herts, Beds and North London.

Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA)

 

[Heym SR20]

Quote from my APHA vet

"Bear in mind that you could still eat the meat since even TB cattle reactors get processed for human consumption – M. bovis doesn’t tend to make to the muscle tissue, however in your case we can’t be certain what other bug has made those lymphs react. If you were to finally dispose of the whole carcase, you can do so using your regular disposal enterprise for animal by-products."

Name withheld
Senior Veterinary Inspector
Southern Delivery Area 1 (SDA1): Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex, Herts, Beds and North London.

Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA)

Bear in mind that reactors are showing that they are infected with TB rather than having a full blown infection with TB. On inspection if cattle have multiple lesions etc then they won’t go into the food chain.

Your vet is correct in suggesting you shouldn’t eat a deer with pussy lymph nodes as unless you have it tested you have little clue as to exactly what is infecting it.

Others have suggested TB is not a serious disease. It is and it still kills huge numbers around the world. It is pretty easily killed by heat. It is spread by bodily fluids - saliva, spit, mucous and milk. It’s why milk is pasteurised before sale. Cooking will also kill it. But when opening up a diseased animal you are directly exposing yourself to such pathogens, and exposing yourself to them before they are killed by cooking.

 

[Everlong]

Bear in mind that reactors are showing that they are infected with TB rather than having a full blown infection with TB. On inspection if cattle have multiple lesions etc then they won’t go into the food chain.

Your vet is correct in suggesting you shouldn’t eat a deer with pussy lymph nodes as unless you have it tested you have little clue as to exactly what is infecting it.

Others have suggested TB is not a serious disease. It is and it still kills huge numbers around the world. It is pretty easily killed by heat. It is spread by bodily fluids - saliva, spit, mucous and milk. It’s why milk is pasteurised before sale. Cooking will also kill it. But when opening up a diseased animal you are directly exposing yourself to such pathogens, and exposing yourself to them before they are killed by cooking.

A few lifetimes ago I was a Biomedical scientist

Just making the point that most TB positive cattle aren’t incinerated but just go into the food chain

 

[Buchan]

Bear in mind that reactors are showing that they are infected with TB rather than having a full blown infection with TB. On inspection if cattle have multiple lesions etc then they won’t go into the food chain.

Your vet is correct in suggesting you shouldn’t eat a deer with pussy lymph nodes as unless you have it tested you have little clue as to exactly what is infecting it.

Others have suggested TB is not a serious disease. It is and it still kills huge numbers around the world. It is pretty easily killed by heat. It is spread by bodily fluids - saliva, spit, mucous and milk. It’s why milk is pasteurised before sale. Cooking will also kill it. But when opening up a diseased animal you are directly exposing yourself to such pathogens, and exposing yourself to them before they are killed by cooking.

so not feeding raw....