Accurate?
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Stevie/P
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Is 1MOA for the rifle or the ammunition
I thought 1MOA or better is the benchmark for sporting rifles
HonestJohn
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given the manufacturer it probably is an excellent result, average in most others, and poor in some
kenbro
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Hi,
Sorry to hear that.
I’ll see if i can phone you some through the post…..It should be there in just over 1 Minute……. of angle.
kenbro
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Good question.
The Author, despite concerns his Ruger M77 in 308 cal might be too well worn to produce good accuracy, managed to shoot a ‘respectable’ 5 group at 100 yards using Remington 165 grain Core-Lokt bullets of 1.34”.
Ken.
There are more shooters moa capable than 0.25 moa capable ! there are more shooter not MOA capable than there are rifles . Remember most firms who Guarantee this also do it with 100 yards range with " quality factory ammo "
I guess they are somewhat reliant on a competent gunsmith breaking the news to the client that the gun is good for it in the majority of cases? LOL.
I would say around 20% of rifle shooters believe that their bullet wont drift with the wind , maybe a lot more than 25% ( so its still a pretty ballsey claim to Joe public )
Lets make this clear MOA is like 1/60th of a single degree at 1000 yards if i remember correctly, 9" group ?
However they dont say how consistently the rifle can do that 1 moa , just it can produce a 3 shot group at 100 yards ! my 22 Lr can get that done at least once in a session but 100 yards is less than a good zero range for a deer rifle
I guess they are somewhat reliant on a competent gunsmith breaking the news to the client that the gun is good for it in the majority of cases? LOL.
I would say around 20% of rifle shooters believe that their bullet wont drift with the wind , maybe a lot more than 25% ( so its still a pretty ballsey claim to Joe public )
Lets make this clear MOA is like 1/60th of a single degree at 1000 yards if i remember correctly, 9" group ?
However they dont say how consistently the rifle can do that 1 moa , just it can produce a 3 shot group at 100 yards ! my 22 Lr can get that done at least once in a session but 100 yards is less than a good zero range for a deer rifle
Bit off topic , The guarantee thing is the topic with factory ammo !
For deer weight bullets ie 85-100 grain you need Vhit N160 there is a Vhit App you can download for start and max loads with all the Vhit powders , One is Produced by Hornady , Barnes etc etc
Heym SR20
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Accuracy is a measure of how close and repeatable a rifle and ammunition shoots. Its not that long ago when bolt action rifles were specified as need to shoot within a 4” group at 100 yds, and anything within 2” was put to one side for use as a sniper or target rifle.
1 MoA is about 1” at 100 yds and this is now the expected performance of most modern rifles with decent ammunition in good conditions. But what does this really mean? The statistic gentlemen will put this more eloquently than I can - is it 9 out 10 shots will go into a 1” circle, or is 19 out of 20 or 99 out of 100? And where do the other shots go. Are they 1 1/2” or out at 6”.
There will always be an element of variability - thats life, but any rifle, ammo, scope and shooter combination that can keep the vast majority of a batch of ammo within 1 1/2” circle at 100”, is probably more than good enough. Set your sights so that the centre of the group is about 1 1/2 to 2” above point of aim at 100 yds, and for most deer legal calibres that bullet will strike within 2” of the point of aim right to 250m. In practice the thickness of most cross hairs will subtend a greater amount at 200.
1 MoA is about 1” at 100 yds and this is now the expected performance of most modern rifles with decent ammunition in good conditions. But what does this really mean? The statistic gentlemen will put this more eloquently than I can - is it 9 out 10 shots will go into a 1” circle, or is 19 out of 20 or 99 out of 100? And where do the other shots go. Are they 1 1/2” or out at 6”.
There will always be an element of variability - thats life, but any rifle, ammo, scope and shooter combination that can keep the vast majority of a batch of ammo within 1 1/2” circle at 100”, is probably more than good enough. Set your sights so that the centre of the group is about 1 1/2 to 2” above point of aim at 100 yds, and for most deer legal calibres that bullet will strike within 2” of the point of aim right to 250m. In practice the thickness of most cross hairs will subtend a greater amount at 200.
Stalker62
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Advice given to me many years ago by a Stalker in Sutherland (great times).
1 and 1/2" high, at 100 yards, served me well up in the Highlands.
I was up there two weeks a year for about fifteen years, then he moved down to the Central Belt - the bastard.
A nicer bloke you could not wish to meet.
Hope you and yours are well Adam.
kenbro
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There won’t be many stalkers that can shoot MOA at 100 yards and can the repeat it at 1k yards.
I zero my stalking/ fox rifles at 165 yards for some reason i can’t remember.
Ken.
Try the Vihtavuori website - load data there
As others have advised when you posted questions in other threads…..jumping into a thread on another forum with an entirely topic is not the best way to have your problem discussed.
In your case go to the SD homepage scroll down the list of forums to “Ammunition Reloading and Ballistics” and start a new thread with a title that describes your problem.
It is an excellent result if I'm shooting. In fact it would be an outstanding result.
Mainly because of barrel length and profile.
Buy cfe223 instead.
Or 24-27gn of N140
Its all on Viht load data.
If youre going to handload, you need to be able to read, and follow the powder manufacturer’s data.
N133
Stevie/P
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When I had a 223 N133 was my preferred powder 23-24 grn with 55grn bullets.
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