Africa 2009

One thing I really enjoy about this forum is it's friendliness thank you all for that!

Your friend from what used to live in a paradise that is now destroyed and who told you a landowner can invite overseas friends to hunt as his guests is quite wrong I'm afraid. In the old days, it was possible as long as no money changed hands at all.......... but now licences and permits have to be bought for any hunt and money changes hands there for a start and as I said, PH qualification and other game laws are currently changing and the intention is to enforce the laws s lot more than previously. His suggestion that the hunters can use the landowners rifles is also incorrect. The new(ish) firearms laws dictate that whilst one can loan a rifle to someone else, it must remain under the direct control of the owner at all times. Penalties for breach of that one, if I remember correctly is 5 years, plus fine and confiscation for both parties.

As far as Stones is concerned, it's none of my business what he does and as long as he knows the risks, he's master of his own destiny as we all are, and I wish him the very best of luck on his hunts and if he ever does get caught, I'd do whatever I could to help him out. All he'd have to do is call me. However I'd recommend he doesn't name names or places etc on public forum for the obvious reason..................

I guess I'm pretty experienced nowadays. I gained my first PH licence in 1980 and have hunted professionally in a variety of African countries over the years. Some a lot and some not so much. I won't go into it all here, but it's all on my website.

With the way thing are with the world economy at the moment, you'll not have any problems finding a good hunting deal and once you'ce decided on province, feel free to let me know if you need to hire young PHs..... there's plenty of 'em here. Most of the work we do now is in true wilderness areas such as the Selous Game Reserve Tanzania and these young guys are so desperate to get dangerous game experience, we must get at least two a month contact us and offer to work for nothing, if we'll give 'em a start in dangerous game hunting........... sadly, we can't help them as it'd cost us money to keep 'em in camp and we can't afford to let someone who lacks experience take our clients out. - But that's how desperate they are! - With the new game laws coming in, it's gonna be even harder for them.

I know what you mean about hunting wilderness areas rather than fenced areas. I hate game fences and am only really truly at home in somewhere like the Selous now. - The problem with hunting those areas is that it's a lot more expensive because of ultra high Govt fees and costs of bringing everything in and out. - Just a trip to the nearest 'shop' is a days driving to get there, a day buying supplies and a day back to camp again. - It is possible if you book with the right company, but even they/we have designated boundaries and allocated concession areas.

As you say, there's nothing can beat a good days hunting and then sitting round a camp fire with good friends and a cold can or a glass of good whisky.

I'm now sure that Sp4kman was acting in good faith and I hope my comments didn't offend, but I wanted to make sure no-one ended up in trouble through no fault of their own.

If you guys want to plan a hunt, I'll be happy to do what I can, whoever you book with. If you want to book a hunt with me, I'll do what I can to keep prices down.......... however, I won't drop my standards for anyone and you'd need to appreciate it costs what it costs and I doubt I could make prices any less than I posted above. I also don't tout for business and I don't haggle. If you want my services, you'll contact me, if you prefer to use someone else, that's fine with me as well.............and I'll still be happy to advise where I can.
 
Hi Guys

I have hunted with Steve 'Shakari' twice and he is a number 1 good guy. You will get an excellent hunt on a good concession. All the admin is handles meticulously and there are no worries about fences, bad trophies and post hunt taxidermy /follow-up. He also has a huge repertoir or stories and tales to entertain you with round the camp fire. You will get a 'real' hunting experience. as far as i know he does not own any real-tree either :lol:
Basically he knows what he is talking about and any guidance on the ever changing world of african hunting rules/laws are much appreciated.

Mark
 
To answer legaleagle69
It would be great to take this another step, I think the good advice posted here has been invaluable and I know shakari's reputation is as good as it gets. Bottom line, if you want the best you pay for it. It may be feasable to get a young PH and do it that way but the organisation would be difficult. Also we need to limit the group number, six max?
I think what we want from an outfitter seems to be;
A large hunting area, over 20,000he?
Cull or management animals to reduce cost and prevent trophy/taxi fees.(although I wouldn't mind a trophy warthog)
Fair chase, on foot.
No luxury just good food and company.
Any thoughts?

http://www.natron.net/napha/members/membersa-c.html

http://www.sandriveradventures.com/

http://www.affordableafricanhunting.com/

http://www.umlilosafaris.co.za/price list2.htm

http://www.umlilosafaris.co.za/
 
Hi Mack have looked through the links, the guy at affordable safaris seems to be singing from the same hymn sheet as us :lol:

although until you seriously go into this you really can't tell, the bit that sort of concerns me is when you start reading into the whole set up that you cannot allow foreign hunters to stay on "sub standard camps" I am really beginning to see the hurdles we may have to cross are higher than first suspected.
I do still have my suspicions the powers that be do not want our sort of custom and are looking to attract the higher end customers to bring in foreign currency. :roll: hence the complexity of the rules, and as Shakari said it is only set to get worse hey ho
 
lads let's calm this down abit
shakari is only looking out for our best interests as is malc, i hav pm'ed jonathon on many occassion and found his answers also for our best interest too
my trip was in 2003 and all i kneeded was a letter of permission of the land owner in SA, and that's all i presented to customs on SA side of the water along with my firearms ticket for the rifle and shotgun i took with me, and a hunting permit was granted ,things hav changed a bit since then, i am sure
i am awaiting a reply from my mate who is speaking to a very good ph friend of his in the area we hunted, a man i spoke to in good length while he showered us in hospitality
his name is chappies, and very big and respected like i said in the area we hunted, when dricus, get's back to me i shall let you all know the outcome, i went out there and shot game at local's rates, let's all remmeber that , if i can do that again i will do ,
why i should go there and pay american or even european rates when a friend can get it cheaper for the same package then why not as all the same rules and regulations apply just not the charges
 
Stone is pretty much echoing my sentiments exactly, and I am sure if need be your friend Dricus would have a hunting buddy with the PH cetification etc to assist you..
I did look at the PHASA? website and realised that my business partners mother works as a head honcho in Namibia for one of the groups on it, "Nature and Conservation Dept" ? , mind you he hasn't seen her for over 8 years, and said she might get the ump on if we turned up fr a surprise visit with our rifles askng if she had a couple of spare elephants we could hang on the wall :lol:
 
You guys might also like to try my buddy Jaco Human at jacohu@mweb.co.za - I'm afraid I don't remember his web address, but he offers good value, low priced and/or short duration hunts and is much more into that end of the market than we are.

Tell him you're a bunch of rooineks and you got his contact details from an old sautie buddy of his and when he's stopped laughing, he'ss probably offer you a pretty good deal...........
 
I been watching this one for a bit, and have been thinking how to add my bit without upsetting anyone.
I consider myself very fortunate having hunted in Africa alot, I started in 1994 and went at least once a year `til, 2004,sometimes staying out there for upto 3mnths just mooching around working and enjoying life.
But I am no expert on Africa, this is just my opinion. (I have noticed a user in here with legal in his name :lol: )
I think that everyone is chasing the Africa dream/experience and I reckon that dream died about 100 yrs ago
I personly think, and I admit I did it, people try and get the "best deal" financially , these usually turn out to be fenced farms, or a mate of a mate, I`m not decrying this at all, and it can be a reasonably priced introduction to Africa.
In 2003 (god help me if I got that date wrong as I proposed to Kim in Jeffreys bay) I fancied going and few novice mates wanted to go as well,so I booked with an oufitter off the list in the post above who are grt friends of mine I had met at the game fairs and had sent people their way.
They all had a grt time,and all was hunky dorey, They only person wgho didn`t enjoy himself that much was myself, yes was good mates and had good holiday, but, when you can sit on the deck @ the hunting lodge and see over the road to another hunting lodge, thats not exactly what I`ve been used to in Africa.
And there was a bit of rivalry between the P.H`s to get the 1st animal and the longest shot,etc. I upset my P.H the first day, when I told him we go and look for a proper cull animal, not just shoot a female or a young one,or the first one we saw. so we looked and we actually found a lame Blesbok, and that was my 1st cull animal, took us a day to get him (even tho was only 4500acres in a fence :(
I liked to walk for few days and not see anyone.
So to a degree its horses for courses, and the big thing is, you get what you pay for.
And, I am not anything to do with Shakari but I have read his posts on another forum and on htis one, and beleive me he does know his stuff and IMO he always answers to the best of his knowledge and straight up, no bull****, .I supoose that comes from 20 yrs experience, which I believe he is more than entitled to charge for.
If you want to pay £1100 for 6 animals in a week in SA, don`t expect to be on wide open ranges etc etc, and dont worry you wont be far from the hunting lodge, this type of hunt will be ok for a start but, it will be a start.
I realy should take typing/english lessons.
 
John DM I couldnt agree more. Look if anyone wants to go to Africa I wish them every success. But as I have said before you only get what you pay for.

Not many on here are going to pay Tanzanian rates of about $1800 to $2000 a day rate :shock: but if you are going on a cull hunt and non trophy in SA do not expect a pucker Safari. It will almost certainly be a fenced area, but there are fenced areas and fenced areas if you get my drift.

I wish you guys all the luck in the world, but please take advice and get an agent or PH to take care of the s..t. Is it really worth the risk to save a few quid?

If you want another side to it I can put you in touch with Danie Van Ellewe in Namibia and or Paul Stone of Royal Sable Safaris. Failing this I also have another good friend who will undertake dangerous game Mark DeWhet.

Good luck guys, but dont do on the cheap cheap and take risks.
 
I think my reputation is stating to proceed me my New Zealand dwelling buddy :lol:

Yes I think I am hankering after something that doesn't exist and hasn't done for over a 100 years, you have pretty much summed up all I love & hate i.e. the notion of dispearing for days on end and not seeing some fat muppet (ok guys I know I have a few extra pounds these days) on the porch of the next lodge.
If the only option is to hunt a fenced in safari come game ranch shooting "zoo animals" I won't be going, but if its a big farm with a bunch of mates after a bit of an adventure then I will go for that.

We all know you pays your money you takes your choice, in this day and age I really don't want to kill lion, rhino or elephants, I don't think its a particularly moral thing, there are enough poachers and scum bags doing that already. I'd love to see them and hope if I ever have kids there may be the odd one left to show them.. ;)

However there must be some middle ground where you can have a thrilling experience on sustainable wild game.. is there ? or am I still in dreamland :lol:
 
The two posts by John DM & Sikamalc are two of the best I've seen in years. It's a fact that you don't get what you don't pay for and it's another fact that many people forget that when they book a safari.

Hunting a fenced farm is good as far as it goes, but it's a mere shadow of the real thing when compared to hunting a true wilderness area such as you'll find in Tanzania or Mozambique etc and once you've hunted one of those areas, you'll never want to go back to hunting behind fences......... the fact is the true wilderness areas are very expensive, because they have to be. Every can of beans, every nail and every can of beer has to be flown in by privare charter and the Govt fees are horrendous, but again, they have to be to keep the area as wild as it is........... So, if you want an area like that, you simply gotta pay the cost.

The good news is that the UK pound is strong and the economy has meant a lot of vacancies this year............. so my advice guys is to go while you can.........

My other piece of advice is that if you think you'll only ever hunt one dangerous game species make it a Cape Buffalo!
 
Agree totally with one species of Dangerous Game, Cape Buffalo everytime for me. Took mine in Zim on the edge of Lake Kariba on tribal lands with Russ Broome Safaris. Chris Ferrara (stretch) was my PH. One crazy son but good.

Ahh happy days :-D
 
yup, I just never get tired of 'em and even when I have a day off between clients, I'll go out on my own or just with a tracker to go take one for myself......... I guess after that is Mr Spots and Im quite lucky to get a lot of freelance cat work as well.........
 
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Will you two quit I'm getting depressed!
Seriously though It is my dream to hunt buff, I have read an awful lot about them and have set myself a promise for 3 years time due to finances. Any advice you could give? Boddington in his book Buffalo suggests Tanzania. Does anyone have any close call tales to tell?
Calibre is another, I know a client does not need a stopping rifle and a PH would be happier that a client could shoot a 375 well rather than a 458 Lott badly, any thoughts?
 
Maybe Im biased, but from my experience, Tanzania beats the others hands down. The Frankfurt Zoological Society tell us that Tanzania has more Buffalo than all the other southern and east African countries put together..... As a rule of thumb, I'd strongly recommend you hunt the Selous for the first hunt (2 Buff and PG) and then if you want to go for a monster later on in life, go to Masailand or the west.

I'm not into all that chest beating **** and don't go for the purple prose etc.......... but Ive taken several with clients at ranges of about 10 yards and 2 years ago, I took one (43 inches?) with a client at just 3 yards in grass that was about 7 or 8 feet high.

On a variety of species, take a look at my website and you'll see several animals with .500 holes in their faces...... all came from my rifle after they were wounded and to cut a few long stories short, they charged...... when that happens, t happens very quickly indeed and I for one, never remember it like they do in the books........... I remember seeing it coming and then I remember seeing it down and dead, but nothing in between.
 
Forgot to say that 375 is the minimum required by law, but I'd recommend you go a bit bigger to 404 or similar OR be ultra careful with your choice of bullet and/or avoid some shots such as frontal chest shots.
 
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Thanks for the info,
excuse my ignorance but what does PG mean?
Are you in the solids all the time camp or softpoint first?
Also would you reccomend a scope or open sights, I was thinking of a CZ or Ruger rifle.
Cheers
 
Sorry, plains game.

I prefer the hunter to use a slow opening soft such as a Woodleigh protected soft point for the first shot and then solids.

Whatever rifle you like is good, but I'd recommend a scope of about 1.5 - 4 or 6 with QD mounts. Then you take the scope off for any follow up.

The rifle should obviously have good open sights as well, and I personally like a shallow vee rearsight with a red fibre optic forsight.

My own rifle is a much abused custom built, left handed actioned 500 Jeffery with that set up of open sights.
 
The Selous is an area i was destined to hunt in 1989, but the Tanzanian government put the price up beyond my reach 6 weeks prior to my going.

As much as I agree with the amount of Buff you will find in the Selous (named after FC Selous) it is horrendous money to hunt a Buff there.

Yours best bet is Zimabawe (although I would not recommend it at the moment) or Zambia. Now they may not get that long droop spread that you see on Boddingtons DVD but if you go for a Dugga boy in Zambia they are just as mean. My Buff hunt was $6000 all in 6 days inclusive of the Buff on a 1x1. Look around and you will still get it for that in Zambia with any luck. SA will be cheap daily rate, but horrendous trophy fees that will in all probability out weigh the total price of a trip to Zambia.

And as I have said before with a Buff make sure the first shot is a good one ;) they do not suffer fools gladly, and will really screw your day up if they can.
 
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