air rifles?

daven

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Hey folks,

last air rifle I used was a red rider bb gun as a kid and a break barrel pellet rifle. FF to nowadays... Anyone use them to keep sharp without having to go to a range or countryside and make noise? If so, what is available in a style (size & weight) comparable to a normal hunting rifle (not them gawdy lookin target/sniper rifles with the thumb hole)that will reach out a ways (50+ yards?) and still pack a punch with some accuracy/consistency? At a reasonable price...Tips and links appreciated. I imagine anything you folks can get I can get here..

Thanks, Dave
 
Springer or PCP mate?

You'd need FAC levels for anything to be packing a punch past 50 yards, maybe a Theoben Fenman??

Stratts
 
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Im sorry but the only ones can think of offhand are bsa meteor/or airsporter types or a bit more cash weirachs all good spring guns and will drop rabbits etc no problem they will be twelve ft pounds,not sure on any others its been a while,
 
Springer or PCP mate?

You'd need FAC levels for anything to be packing a punch past 50 yards, maybe a Theoben Fenman??

Stratts

OK..... 50 yds was just a swag.... Just a straight shooting and consistent to a distance (what is a reasonable expectation?) that I can set up in the back yard and shoot (adjusting target size to simulate distances?)
 
Try and get your hands on a weihrauch 35, they are just about the right size and weight.
Great gun, i'm sure you would have some great sport with it, and not to expensive secondhand.
 
A gas ram HW sounds about right for what you want of an air rifle. Consistent power and no spring to rattle, which can affect accuracy.

I use an air arms s410 pcp, but for that I have an air cylinder to fill it up, or if your fit you can use a hand pump.

Alan
 
Springer or PCP mate?

You'd need FAC levels for anything to be packing a punch past 50 yards, maybe a Theoben Fenman??

Stratts

If Daven's in Germany then I don't think they have the lower power limit that we Brits have - I'm prepared to be corrected on that!!
2 options if you want something akin to firing a proper rifle with a kick then get the HW80 great gun and will knock a lot of pests over nae bother.
If you want something light weight and not bothered about the kick then I'd go for the HW100.
Either option in .20

Happy hunting.

Ed
 
Hey folks,

last air rifle I used was a red rider bb gun as a kid and a break barrel pellet rifle. FF to nowadays... Anyone use them to keep sharp without having to go to a range or countryside and make noise? If so, what is available in a style (size & weight) comparable to a normal hunting rifle (not them gawdy lookin target/sniper rifles with the thumb hole)that will reach out a ways (50+ yards?) and still pack a punch with some accuracy/consistency? At a reasonable price...Tips and links appreciated. I imagine anything you folks can get I can get here..

Thanks, Dave

It may seem like a good idea, but you live in Germany, so can forget about sensible air rifle usage.

If you want to buy one freely it will be limited to 7.5 joules (5.5. fpe). I've got pistols more powerful, and they are only good for punching holes in paper at 6-10 metres.

In the UK we can freely buy rifles up to 12 fpe. In Germany you can't.

Air gun laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Air weapons exceeding 7.5 J muzzle energy, e.g. field target guns, are treated like firearms and therefore require a relevant permit for acquisition and possession. Proof of need, a clean criminal record and the passing of a knowledge and handling test are required to gain the permit.

Presumably this wouldn't be a problem for you, so fill your boots.

AFAIK you will not be allowed to use one for vermin control. Targets only.

Rabbiting and ratting, also grey squirrel and pigeon, with a 12fpe air rifle is often the introduction to fieldsports in the UK. But not allowed in most of Europe. Certainly not France, and also I think Germany.

As said "packing a punch" at 50 yards plus is not possible with a UK 12fpe rifle, we would need an FAC rifle in 20-30 fpe, which realistically means a precharged pneumatic rifle.

Which are expensive. To buy new, with decent 'scope, refilling kit (dive bottle or pump) could easily cost over £1000.

A good quality springer will start at £200 plus new. The best are made by Weihrauch (DE) and Air Arms (UK). Their better rifles will be £350 plus, then there will be a 'scope and mounts needed. Another £200 for anything decent.

you could start with e.g. a Turkish Hatsan or Webley break barrel and cheap 'scope. £200. Or even a Chinese SMK. But you might soon regret it.

Air rifle practice is very useful, particularly with a springer, which requires a firm consistent hold. You don't need to practise at 50 yards plus, 10-25 yards is all that is necessary, with suitably small targets, and .177" pellets. Even an emasculated 7.5 joule German air rifle at 6-10 metres will deliver useful practise, and you may be able to set up an indoor range.
 
Cheers Sharpie.

Ok I stand corrected -I always thought we had the duff end of the power scale for air rifles but it appears that was an incorrect assumption!

Ed
 
I just bought a nitrogen piston air rifle and have been shooting in the basement and back yard. It's a .177 and it shoots very well with a variety of pellets. I shoot at squirrel targets, rabbit targets, and bullseyes. When I am using the right technique I can shoot well under a half inch at 12M. Where I live, all small game is legal with an air rifle. No power limits or restrictions. My rifle chronographs 967 fps with a 7.5 grain (?) pellet. At 12M it will shoot through a gallon plastic milk jug filled with water. Great fun. I think I will tackle some squirrels with it eventually.~Muir
 
If your intention is just to get some simulated practice time in, in your garden i would opt for a spring powered unit. either a HW97, 98 or 95 they are very good quality rifles with excellent trigger units and a quick, sharp firing cycle (unlike most cheaper options). Air arms have the Prosport and the TX200 that are very close rivals to the HW range and also shoot very well, although they do seem to hold their money more on the second hand market. check out guntrader and you'll find loads of them at sensible prices, just look closely at all the fixing screws to see if it has been molested by some moron trying to fit bigger springs (normally having the reverse effect, and reducing power)
On another note, contrary to another posters opinion i find a loose hold to be far easier to maintain consistently with a spring air rifle just enough to stop you dropping it is perfect. this is due to their unique recoil action first the rifle will be pushed back by the piston accelerating up the bore followed by a surge forward as the piston comes to a stop at the end of its bore. This along with the relatively slow moving projectile make it crucial that a consistent hold is maintained to ensure the pellet leaves the barrel at the same point during the firing cycle every time.
I have been shooting air rifles of all types for 17 years and still do, and every time i feel im getting sloppy with my technique i always go back to the spring rifles to give me a metaphorical slap on the wrist, they just wont let you get away with it.

Sorry if some of this is old news to you, as i get to know you all better ill try not to be so long winded.
hope this helps.

Regards. Hal
 
I would have thought any spring powered air rifle would be ideal, in fact act Kelso there was a as new boxed .22 BSA airsporter for £220 which was a great deal. I spent Sunday morning plinking with my 2nd .22 BSA Mercury good fun and although tuned has felt recoil.

SMK do a big range of inexpensive spring powered air rifles which would be appropriate.

D
 
Springer or PCP mate?
You'd need FAC levels for anything to be packing a punch past 50 yards, maybe a Theoben Fenman??
Stratts

Sorry Stratts, the Fenman is usually 12ftlb, and since Theoben went bust I wouldn't recommend buying one, spares are hard to get, I've been through the hoops.
I would recommend a gas ram type though, say the HW90.
PCP are great...if you can be bothered with all the charging paraphenalia.
Don't like springers, too much boing for your buck:)
 
I still use the BSA super sport I was given by Dad Christmas 1998. Love that gun to heavy back then used a table to support the weight now great to practise free standing etc and look after the squirrels on the bird feeders etc.
 
Thanks folks... Plenty to look at (for).... 50ft is realistically the max I think. Won't be killing any animals with it other than mice/rats. Just setting up a target and shooting.... As far as permits, I can have whatever (if it's a legal weapon and up to 2 handguns) I want. Just don't want overkill or underkill.... Was going to buy a small caliber (22lr) but would still have to go to a range to shoot it. Air rifle is I think the way to go....
 
Thanks folks... Plenty to look at (for).... 50ft is realistically the max I think. Won't be killing any animals with it other than mice/rats. Just setting up a target and shooting.... As far as permits, I can have whatever (if it's a legal weapon and up to 2 handguns) I want. Just don't want overkill or underkill.... Was going to buy a small caliber (22lr) but would still have to go to a range to shoot it. Air rifle is I think the way to go....

I can thoroughly recommend a Rapid in .25 calibre if you want to blast rats at 50 ft/lbs. I have one expressly set up at this power level as a rat-cannon - coupled with an NV add-on and the thermal imager which hangs around my neck, not much gets away!
 
Try and get your hands on a weihrauch 35, they are just about the right size and weight.
Great gun, i'm sure you would have some great sport with it, and not to expensive secondhand.

That's the one.... Question now..... the break barrel ones we had as kids got weak after about a gazillion pellets.... With these weirauch's, if/when they get weak, is it as simple as replacing the spring and seals or can a new compression chamber (??) be had?

Thanks
 
easy to replace the spring, breech and piston seals on a weihrauch and the barrel has a thumb operated lock so even after a lot of use it shouldn't get loose around the breech jaws, just been out for a stalk with my old springer now the fallow season has finished my two rabbits were every bit a sporting as the deer.
 
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