Annealing.
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I'm tempted by the service, but I like the fiddling. Ugly annealer
It depends what your shooting. If you're into long range gongs/competition and want precision then anneal after every shot. The Derraco Ugly annealer is cheap enough and does a good job. If you're just after Minute of Deer accuracy then with Lapua brass you should 3 or 4 firings - more if your load is not near max. So use Spuds service.
Bo Diddley
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It's so easy to do, I'm going to do it every time.
Thanks to a kind member on here, they pointed me in the right direction and told me how simple it really is. Cordless drill and suitable socket extension, blow torch with a fine flame set, dimly lit workshop and crack on, didn't take me long to do the first 100 cases. I wondered what I was concerned about afterwards
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Thanks to a kind member on here, they pointed me in the right direction and told me how simple it really is. Cordless drill and suitable socket extension, blow torch with a fine flame set, dimly lit workshop and crack on, didn't take me long to do the first 100 cases. I wondered what I was concerned about afterwards
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I personally do it after every firing and provided it’s done correctly there is no harm in it and it will lead to the most consistent ammo. Listening to the Hornady podcast one of the top PRS shooters they had on said he did his every 3 to 4 firings, I’m not going to argue with that but I’ll stick to each time as it works for me.
pablo.222
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Well thats the same as me i like the fiddling. I would find myself doing it every load just because i can.
The service seems good but the ugly would pay it self back in no time.
What all else do you require if i bought the ugly?
Gas? tin for it to drop in. In addition to the other reloading kit I assume you have. But don't take my word for it, I'm but a neophyte reloader! Jelen's moment of deer is about right
When Annealing hit the Competitive shooters , I didn't change my ways and i still won or placed high enough against very good shooters . Still dont bother with it now as i will loose many cases when stalking in heather and white grass etc . How keen are you ? is saving every penny worth your time ?
10 firings on good brass and it will be fine , so long as you clean and don't over size
A can of gas and a blow torch burner with a fine tip that gives a pencil flame.
This - it’s all I’ve ever done & after a bit of practice it is easy & simple to do.It's so easy to do, I'm going to do it every time.
Thanks to a kind member on here, they pointed me in the right direction and told me how simple it really is. Cordless drill and suitable socket extension, blow torch with a fine flame set, dimly lit workshop and crack on, didn't take me long to do the first 100 cases. I wondered what I was concerned about afterwards
I tend to anneal before I full length size for the 6mmBR, 6.5 & 308, which is about every 4-5 reloads. For the 222 I have so much brass that all I do is anneal when I get a split neck in a batch.
Same here.
The brass is work hardened by each firing...and during each resizing. So after a number of firings (without annealing) the neck tension must be different. On some loads that variation may translate to greater MV and thus POI.
My other thought is this: does the probability of case failure/separation reduce if cases are annealed every time? Specifically: are cases that are hardened by repeated firing without annealing more brittle and thus more prone to failure?
Frankly these are just ideas and considerations I have. I have not found any data or folk testing/proving one way or the other. Although I do recall the AMP team doing a video where they shot and reloaded a case multiple times and delivered incredible accuracy and case life by annealing every time. [cannot find that today]
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Bavarianbrit
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I watched a video of a case manufacturer going from the brass button up to finished cases and they put the case through many annealing stages along the way.
markyw
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Derraco's Ugly Annealer all the way. Relatively cheap, easy to use and gets the job done for multiple calibres out of the box with a little setup. Just add gas and a tray for the cases to fall into. MUCH simpler than using a socket, drill and gas torch, in my opinion, and so worth the small outlay.
We bought it as a "syndicate", so between 4 of us it was not expensive at all. I try to anneal every 3rd firing, except .17 Rem Fireball - every firing to avoid split necks (as above for 17 rem comment).
Regards
Mark
We bought it as a "syndicate", so between 4 of us it was not expensive at all. I try to anneal every 3rd firing, except .17 Rem Fireball - every firing to avoid split necks (as above for 17 rem comment).
Regards
Mark
Motard
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I am on the same boat. Anneal every 2 or 3 shots, mainly for the choosy calibers (7rm, 6xc some 270 Win) especially most costly or under shortage brass (peterson norma etc) Years ago did build myself one annealing machine (roughly ugly one concept) but then fastly went back to the socket&drill method and voice counting seconds. I did read as much as I could on the argument and my take is that annealing is probably a solution to a non existing problem. At least for hunters that use different calibers and guns and swap between often those as me. This cause you really need insisting with flame on brass to ruin it and having tested my process with tempilaq, soap and ir thermometer, several times I know I I am not making any harm at my cases. and they look good enough. Don't they?It's so easy to do, I'm going to do it every time.
Thanks to a kind member on here, they pointed me in the right direction and told me how simple it really is. Cordless drill and suitable socket extension, blow torch with a fine flame set, dimly lit workshop and crack on, didn't take me long to do the first 100 cases. I wondered what I was concerned about afterwards
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I just got one of the ugly case burners
in truth its the best £200 and a bit if wasted on reloading gear in years set it up and walk away ! No more faffing with tipped or misfed cases.
New Lapua in the .308, my original 1990's Norma/Sako in .243, and new Norma/Sako in my .270, annealed after every firing using an Ugly - its simple easy to use, quick and its now just part of the process. Used a CaseLife below - the Ugly is quality kit for an outstanding price
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