Any others cynical about a vaccine?

[deerstalker.308]

Can’t help but feel very suspicious of any supposed vaccine for covid.
we don’t have effective vaccines for other corona viruses, at best they limit affects, to bring out vaccinations so swiftly means they can’t have been tested to the N’th degree, side affects can’t be known, but the real cynic in me thinks this is the only way they can reverse the clusterfuk of a situation we are in right now, give everyone a placebo, tell the world it’s fine to resume normality, people continue to die, but instead of everyone being fearful of the dreaded covid, they die of flu, cancer, whatever it may be, but no one is ever declared victim of covid ever again..... the world is saved, and whoever comes up with said vaccine is rich beyond their wildest dreams.
anyone got any tin foil, I’m running low on hats.

 

[pezz69]

A cohort of 94 people out 43,500... You do the maths, ive had covid and whilst it was most unpleasant and still recovering from it now, i certainly won't be having ot until extensive evidence based research has been done on it.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I believe this vaccine is said to have same efficacy rating as that of most flu jabs.

That said it’s effectiveness in preventing or reducing symptoms in the higher risk category is less well understood.

K

 

[deerstalker.308]

A cohort of 94 people out 43,500... You do the maths, ive had covid and whilst it was most unpleasant and still recovering from it now, i certainly won't be having ot until extensive evidence based research has been done on it.

Pretty sure I have had it too albeit I had no symptoms, my wife and several close friends had it. I don’t want and won’t have a vaccine any time soon....!

 

[Dalua]

we don’t have effective vaccines for other corona viruses,

Vaccines don't just appear out of nowhere: the pharmaceutical industry is there to make money, so I think if there'd been a profitable market for them, we probably would have.

 

[deerstalker.308]

I believe this vaccine is said to have same efficacy rating as that of most flu jabs.

That said it’s effectiveness in preventing or reducing symptoms in the higher risk category is less well understood.

K

And what are the long term affects of it? Can anyone tell us that? No, they can’t (but they probably will).

 

[deerstalker.308]

Vaccines don't just appear out of nowhere: the pharmaceutical industry is there to make money, so I think if there'd been a profitable market for them, we probably would have.

So why no effective (and I mean effective) vaccine for the common cold or flu? I mean if ever there was a way to make money????

 

[windygun]

The Chinese have been working on a SARS vaccine for years and still haven’t nailed it. My fat arse will stay on the fence for the moment, thanks.

 

[Apthorpe]

And what are the long term affects of it? Can anyone tell us that? No, they can’t (but they probably will).

Er.....better than death 3 weeks later.

What the world really needs right now is some more people spreading idiotic and harmful bullsh1t conspiracy theories.

 

[Dalua]

So why no effective (and I mean effective) vaccine for the common cold or flu? I mean if ever there was a way to make money????

The 'flu vaccine is as effective as it can be, and does make the industry money.

You'd seriously expect anyone, or any health service, to pay for a vaccine against a cold? I wouldn't, and unlike you I'm fairly sanguine about being vaccinated against Covid - personal risk/benefit stacks up more favourably, as does cost-effectiveness in terms of reduction in morbidity/mortality (to say nothing of the economic stuff) vs. cost.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Er.....better than death 3 weeks later.

What the world really needs right now is some more people spreading idiotic and harmful bullsh1t conspiracy theories.

Sorry but what percentage of people die 3 weeks later....??
And what do you know that I don’t about this amazing vaccine??? Please do tell?
More people have died of lots of other things than covid over the last few months, they just haven’t been reported on. You can believe what the media reports on or you can read between the lines, and look at the facts.

 

[McKenzie]

For balance, being in the at risk sector due to an underlying condition I'll certainly consider it very carefully. I also travel for work more than most.

 

[willie_gunn]

Er.....better than death 3 weeks later.

What the world really needs right now is some more people spreading idiotic and harmful bullsh1t conspiracy theories.

If you’re one of the 1.5% of cases where Covid proves fatal, death 3 weeks later may be the case.

But if you’re not in one or more of the high risk groups, the mortality rate is far, far, lower.

So in reality one has to weigh the risk of being a Covid mortality against the risk of taking a rapidly developed and largely untested vaccine.

At the end of the day we will each make our own choice, but questioning the science is not in and of itself “spreading idiotic and harmful conspiracy theories”.

 

[Rasputin]

As per the other thread I have no issues with vaccines having had many of them over the years.

That being said this has been created in a hurry I do not believe its been tested appropriately and wouldn't in good conscience take it. The fact remains 99% of people who get it survive the only people who die are weak and infirm and if it wasn't covid would have been something else.

There is a wider issue here about personal responsibility even Boris needs to address the root causes of pandemics and their management. It starts with keeping people fit and active then filters down from there.

 

[Ade8mm]

So why no effective (and I mean effective) vaccine for the common cold or flu? I mean if ever there was a way to make money????

The pharma industry are not philanthropic. They exist to make money.
It is not in a drug company's interest to find a cure for something, it is in their interest to find treatments.
The everlasting light-bulb dilemma.

 

[kenbro]

So why no effective (and I mean effective) vaccine for the common cold or flu? I mean if ever there was a way to make money????

I don’t think anyone has said this Covid vaccine is going to be effective.
An effective vaccine would have to eradicate its opponent.
Ken.

 

[Chill 123]

All I, wont to do is go back to my old life pre Covid . If that means me taking a vaccine so be it ,if you think its too much of a risk to you future health then don,t take it . The facts are there over a million people worldwide have died after contracting Covid and the facts are the numbers will continue to rise untill we have a vaccine . Once again your choice

Chill

 

[Tim.243]

Can’t help but feel very suspicious of any supposed vaccine for covid.
we don’t have effective vaccines for other corona viruses, at best they limit affects, to bring out vaccinations so swiftly means they can’t have been tested to the N’th degree, side affects can’t be known, but the real cynic in me thinks this is the only way they can reverse the clusterfuk of a situation we are in right now, give everyone a placebo, tell the world it’s fine to resume normality, people continue to die, but instead of everyone being fearful of the dreaded covid, they die of flu, cancer, whatever it may be, but no one is ever declared victim of covid ever again..... the world is saved, and whoever comes up with said vaccine is rich beyond their wildest dreams.
anyone got any tin foil, I’m running low on hats.

 

[Dalua]

The pharma industry are not philanthropic. They exist to make money.
It is not in a drug company's interest to find a cure for something, it is in their interest to find treatments.

The second line doesn't follow from the first, and IMO isn't particularly accurate.

The industry does exist to make money - it will therefore produce that which will make it money whether that is to prevent illness (e.g. vaccine), 'cure' it (e.g. anticancer drugs, antibiotics), or to keep it in check long-term (e.g. statins, antipsychotics), Superficially, the last of those categories sounds as though it will make more money, but those things tend to be high-volume and lower margin in the long run - so it ain't neccessarily so, I don't think.

 

[MattJ]

I find it depressing that a group of supposingly rational people are even discussing this. Perhaps the suggestion in this article should be adopted Spreading anti-vaxx myths 'should be made a criminal offence'