Avoiding Confrontations

Excuse my ignorance but what is an ICAD number?
I imagine it'll be an incident number. The CAD bit will be Computer Aided Dispatch or similar, and the I bit will be incident. Simply put it'll be a local police term for an incident reference number. Here in W Yorks the term used by cops amongst themselves is a Storm Log, because they use a system called Steria Storm to log incidents.
 
Must admit when I bump into the public when I'm out stalking I always put my phone on record so if they say later "he threatened me with his gun" then I can prove that I didn't.

I have had a few occasions down south where I've encountered dog walkers where they arent supposed to be - Mostly they are fine but I did run into one bloke who had scared a bunch of fallow away who I suspect is a bit anti and said "yeah the deer went that way har har.."

Yes I know they did pal - I was watching you scare them all off with your dog off the lead....

Fortunately the game keeper went and had a quiet word in his ear shortly afterwards!
 
Not a great lover of ringing the cops to tell them where I'm going to be shooting, it once led to a particularly acrimonious exchange with a woman in the control room who convinced herself that I had shot her cat. But that's another story.....
 
Not a great lover of ringing the cops to tell them where I'm going to be shooting, it once led to a particularly acrimonious exchange with a woman in the control room who convinced herself that I had shot her cat. But that's another story.....

Crikey now theres an account of paranoia at it's best! :lol:
 
I stopped a lady friend of the bosses Mrs one morning when she was walking off the footpath to inform her that we would be stalking later so stick to path please.
How can you murder God's creatures like that she said, I replied because he gave us dominion over all the birds and beasts, and they are good to eat.
Bad move! She vented her thoughts at me in a very aggressive way. A few days later I saw her long reining a pony as training for a cart.
You terrible person I said shoving a lump of metal in that poor animals mouth to force it to do what you want, and I really read her, her pedigree.
The best was when she couldn't find an answer, as I walked away. At 20 yds I stopped and shouted "Oh by the way, I used to break horses for my grandad".
I learned some really good swear words then.

:rofl:
 
Explain your an extreme vegan and you are doing this to hide them from meat eaters.
I dont mind engaging. Let them get all hot and bothered. Best possibly to record the exchange. You can get recording apps that trigger with a chosen word.....
 
I used to stalk in a high amenity area, to blend in I wore a loden coat and carried a stutzen slung upside down, continental style. Most people never saw the rifle. Low profile and all that.
One particularly fine morning I slotted a nice wee pricked and stashed it on a bank just off the track for later collection.
Walking along the track back to the car I bumped into a lady with 4 dogs, typical hairy little crotch warmers. I wished her a good morning, but she copped the rifle and I got the hairy eyeball. Real stink eye!
Collected the deer, drove home, thinking good thoughts and at peace with creation. Arrived home started to cook breakfast, turned on the radio and my world turned to sh1t in less than 2 minutes.
Guess who phoned into the countries favourite talk show National parks service forrestry HQ, and the newspapers?
She probably would have posted on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook too, but they hadn't been invented yet.
Never again will I underestimate the nose on a hairy crotch warmer.
It must have taken all of 30 seconds for the phone to ring, was it me?
Yep, guilty as charged. Had I posted the signs and checked in?
Yep.
Hmm, try to be a bit more discreet.
I heard the programme and I'm doing me best.
Three days later I return to the scene of the crime, no shot but guess who I meet on the way out, Crotch Warming Fanny Sniffer pack and all?
Good morning!
I got a glare that would turn whiskey to water, but pressed on regardless.
By any chance had her CWFS pack found a deer recently?
They had ( the wee *****).
Had she phoned the radio newspaper and the forestry HQ?
She had.
Well thank you very much, there's a lot of poaching in the area and that makes it very difficult to achieve a balanced cull plan.
Really appreciate you keeping an eye out and taking the time to make the reports. My car is the green jeep and if you see it in the car park I'm here somewhere, no problem with the dog walking.
She was absolutely charmed, and a lovely lady besides.
Any time I met her afterwards, she used to tell me what deer she'd seen and where and when and tales of many many other things that she saw but that she really shouldn't have been looking at.
It was one of those forest areas near a city where even the big bad wolf was cautious after dark.
Lost the ground after a change of forester, the new guy didn't want anyone shooting in high amenity areas.
Pity really, I found hand cuffs, blow up dolls, wall safes, cars, a boat, motorcycles teddy bears, underwear and loads of other really cool stuff during my tenure.
It added interest to the day.
I reckon a half way decent drug dog would have funded my retirement.
I suppose the advice is to try to get them on your side, stay polite and don't make things any worse.
Also, never trust a pack of CWFS's.
 
I put my trail cams at about 12 foot high angled down to keep them out of reach. Most members of the public walk around without raising their eye level above the top of their head. If you have a gun in your hand when confronted by someone intent on imposing their views on you remember the following: (1) you’re never going to change their mind, so don’t argue (2) you will be vulnerable to false allegations if you have a gun in your hand, so unload it and put it away in its slip/sling it. (3) definitely walk away. (4) get your iPhone on record as a minimum or video if you can without sticking it under their nose. Finally when you get home send yourself an email detailing what actually happened and who said what after viewing your iPhone footage. The email will be timed and dated and therefore best evidence made whilst events were still fresh in your mind if there are any ‘terrible misunderstandings’ later on.
 
I've found that, on the whole, once I've explained my role and talked about how I'm protecting fragile habitats from the rampaging herbivores that scoff all the rare and delicate flora, most walkers are quite apologetic about the fact that they might have scared the deer away before I had a chance to shoot them.

Only time I wished I'd had the presence of mind to use "record" setting on my phone was when berating a woman for letting her dog run loose with my sheep. I didn't shoot it (which was quite restrained, for me), but she did subsequently accuse me of threatening her with a gun.
 
Similar to VSS.

I say that I am saving the trees and forests, there are (in general) too many deer and they destroy seedlings and regeneration, therefore I sustainably manage deer populations. Beyond that it's good morning and goodbye.
 
Pal and I were pigeon shooting when a local lady came 100m off the footpath to release the pigeons that she thought were tied up on our flappers.

She didnt even know we were in the hide, so we stepped out and politely informed her she was trespassing to which we got an earfull.

Even trying to explain we were there by request from the farmer for crop protection didnt make any difference. Then three little words seem to hit a chord - police and aggravated trespass. Something tells me she had heard them before...

Calm and polite with a recording as evidence is the way to go.
 
With regard to my earlier post, the points I made were really for use when dealing with members of the ‘angry brigade’ - of course the large majority of the public are perfectly reasonable if spoken to properly. Some are even genuinely interested in what we do. I think most of us have the life experience to tell within the first couple of seconds the type of person you’re dealing with. You can then respond accordingly.
 
We use a loan working device called a skyguard at work which has some really good features. One of which is the option to have someone listening in and record everything said, we have safe words we can use to request police assistance without the people even knowing.
It is a descret devise which hangs around my neck, and possess a huge presence when you pause the argument/conversation to talk to the operator, 99% of people totally change there tune when they realise I'm being backed up all the time. The 1% are so extream in there views its a pointless argument, but I have it documented. We use the same kit dealing with people up to no good but in A slightly different way. Most phones will support the sky guard loan working app which has all the same features except the man down.
 
The only abuse I have ever had to deal with (shouting, swearing, threatening behaviour, complaints to my landowner) is from a few fellow stalkers. The general public is generally interested in what you do and why and always appreciative of a chat.
 
Unfortunately, I have had a couple of these 'interactions' over the years with members of the general public...

I tend to try and avoid all interaction where I can. If I see someone in the distance approaching, I either find an alternative route or I tuck in somewhere and let them pass (if practical).

If I have no other option but to pass them, I either unload the cartridges from my shotgun or take the bolt out of my rifle before they approach. If I happen to be wearing anything on my face - I take it off, to be as unthreatening as possible. I also usually try to muster as cheery a hello as I can! It may seem silly, but it minimizes the likelihood of a confrontation with one of these people.

Cheers, Dan.
 
Next time turn it on & get a couple of images, then record harassement & highly agitated mannerism with your local force. Felt threatened being a mature person but luckily you just happen to have caught an immage, feel fortunate to be separated by a fence.caught an immage. I would print one with a covering letter & incident number then ask firearms dept to keep it on record for you as your unsure how extreme this individual really is.
Keep the copy for yourself at least.
 
In Dorset one morning sat in a seat .
I had shot a roe doe early doors and it was just by the seat cooling up side down .The owner of the wood had said beware of a lady dog walker as she will give you some grief
Bit later my mate text me to say he’d had two stags scared off by a free running flat coat retriever and to look out for the owner as the wood is private with a footpath around the outside .
Sure enough along comes the flat coat nose in the air followed by a middle aged lady .The dog is again running free and finds the gralloch ,laps up the blood and rolls in it getting blood all over its neck in doing so .The lady finally sees this and frantically tries to pull the dog off which was now eating green ad hok .
I’m up the tree very amused but not once did the lady look up until I told her quietly the heart was the best bit .
She was outraged until I pointed out she was trespassing and that I might ring the police .
I had to get down to get the dog off with no thanks which was by now plastered in green and smelt lovely .I pointed to the footpath and to the signs we had up and I don’t think she’s been back since lol.
 
Many years ago in the eighties I used to hunt with a gun pack ,One day we were on our way up a large winding road up onto the top of the mountain when our hound van got stuck on some ice right outside a small cottage as we were trying to get the van moving again a young hippie type lad of about 20 something came out and started to give us abuse saying all the usual stuff and that he owned the land which was totally untrue because the landowner was with us the lad was told to go away in the kindest words possible , he went back in the cottage and came back out with a monster of a guy who started to get a bit aggressive so my mate persuaded him to go back in the cottage with the help of a round nose spade , later on in the day while we were hunting I saw the younger hippie lad verbally abusing the oldest member of the hunt it went something like this your only a big man coz you’ve got a gun ( he was carrying and old 10 bore ) so Mr Price unloaded and broke the gun placing it on the floor he then went into a boxing stance fists raised and said come on then sonny let’s have you Mr Price was 88 at the time the younger turned tail never to be seen again that day
 
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