BASC - CONTRACT TERMS

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I wont be contributing to your posts again.

You could not even last 24 hours before breaking yet another promise made on this forum.

And still you refuse not only to apologise but to even admit you made a mistake when you misled forum members with your post on the statutory firearms licensing guidance. Furthermore, in that post you then went on to ask people to contact BASC to ask if BASC was aware of the document - a document that in fact was subject to a high profile consultation last year that BASC responded to.

Your credibility and integrity are in tatters.
 
Information about my Association's insurance cover is here:


Information about your Association's insurance cover is here:

Think you’re missing the point Conor - I am still a member of BASC & yes - the insurance benefits were a significant influencing factor in renewing.

Legal Protection was however a key part of this as, having had to use it before in a motoring claim, this is something I feel strogly about. Admittedly - it may not get used often but that's the whole point of insurance.... it’s for ‘if’ not necessarily ‘when’. After all, ‘when’ was the last time your house burnt down but I bet you still pay for cover? Why.... to cover the eventuality that you need a service that you couldn’t otherwise afford to pay for.

Also, to stick with the motoring analogy, if you had paid for Drivers Legal Protection on your car insurance policy but received notice part way through the year that your insurer had arbitrarily decided (without consultation or a chance to vote on the decision) that it wasn’t going to provide this service any more how would you feel? Annoyed? Possibly that, through failing to honour a service that you had paid for with no recompense, your insurer was treating you unfairly?

So......... whilst I have no ‘historical’ axe to grind I do however empathise with the OP & am extremely p%^^^d off over this matter! Rather than trying to deflect attention by belittling other organisations benefits you should possibly advise ‘your organisation’ to get its own house in order & actually listen to its members :mad:
 
In another thread I was challenged as to who I worked for. My reponse was that I previously worked for a company that like BASC was regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority.

So reminded of the interventions offered to consumers and customers by the FCA I contacted them and had a interesting telephone conversation. Had I not been reminded of my past connection through the company I previously worked for and the role of the FCA I'd not have remembered such a thing.

Anyway I have been told by the Financial Conduct Authority that a person if they think that they are subject to an "unfair contract term" in relation to a product of service may ask that the FCA's own dedicated Unfair Contract Terms Unit look at the matter.

They, the FCA sent me the relevant link where indeed it says that "They consider every single report of an unfair or unclear term referred to us. We appreciate the time and effort spent by consumers in identifying potentially unfair contract terms in consumer contracts. Past reports of unfair contract terms have led us to: Ask firms to stop using and/or change the terms; Publish some actions; such as undertakings from firms about unfair term; Obtain redress for consumers."

Redress would be usually financial redress such as a payment to the consumer of customer by the firm they have complained about to the FCA Unfair Contract Terms Unit.

The the link the FCA sent me in that email is here:


It is a fill in when prompted process and asks for the person using the service to fill in the various boxes as they proceed through the form.

I have written thus on my submission:

What is the name of the firm?
BASC - FCA #311937

What is the title of the contract?
Terms and Conditions - "Rules and Constitution of the Association"

If possible, please send us a copy of the contract.
Can be downloaded by clicking on "Constitution" in this link: Membership Terms and Conditions | The British Association for Shooting and Conservation

Please give details of the exact term(s) in the contract you believe is unfair.
3. Membership. Section (k) as it applies to section (j). That if a member dies, or resigns and therefore they cease (section (j)) to be a Member of the Association that under section (k) that says that " member shall on ceasing to be a member of this Association for WHATEVER CAUSE forfeit his share
and the sum paid up".

Please explain why you think the term(s) is unfair.
Essentially the Member as they cease to enjoy any benefit on ceasing to be a Member there is no cost to BASC that continues to be incurred. Therefore as many will have joined for an insurance and/or advice then only actual "time on risk" should be allowed to be kept back by the Association from the money paid up front by the member.

Please explain how you or the person you represent have been affected by the term(s).
On 31 July 2020 BASC ceased to offer as a feature and benefit of membership "legal expenses cover". That is cover that if a Member's Gun Licence was revoked by the police authorities, or the police authorities declined to renew that Gun Licence that BASC would if there was merit take that police authority to Court and AS ALLOWED BY THE RELEVANT LAW IN s44 OF THE FIREAMS ACT ( Firearms Act 1968 ) have a Judge decide the matter. The decision of BASC to rescind that feature and benefit of membership ( Important notice regarding firearms licensing legal expenses insurance | The British Association for Shooting and Conservation ) was made without consultation of the Members or membership.

Please give details of any discussions you or the person you represent have had with the firm about this matter.
The persons affected have asked that as this feature and benefit was a major reason...for some the only or sole reason for joining...that they be allowed to cancel and that they be pro-rata refunded the remaining term of months left on their membership. They report that this has been refused to them by BASC. These Members argue that as the "product" the bought is now not the "product" that they are now entitled to make use of that the contract has been altered and therefore they are entitled to a refund.

That's essentially the process that you could use. The form also asks for any correspondence between yourself and BASC to be uploaded if you have any and then will ask for your details so that the FCA can, if they need to, contact you back.

I hope that BASC Members who have cancelled or who are thinking of cancelling now that the legal expenses insurance feature and benefit of membership has been rescinded might find it helpful to use to seek the advice of the FCA? And I'm glad having been directly reminded of this in a response to me in another thread to share what the FCA can offer to consumers and customers.
Might I suggest that any funds derived from any such claims against BASC are donated equally to the Gun Control Network and the League Against Cruel Sports?
 
Kes may have posted multiple times about the BASC - I don’t see an issue with him doing this - they are a shambles of an organisation who have left kore than one field sports person out in the cold when needed, why they are still around or have a membership is beyond me as they really have shot themselves in the feet so many times!

And for a BASC rep to say someone’s credibility and is integrity is in tatters is simply laughable! 😂😂

The BASC have long been know to only really care about predominantly driven game shooters, and even they have been stabbed in the back by them now!

I have not been an BASC member for at least 7-8 years and will never be again.

out of morbid curiosity I would love to know what the drop in members has been for them over the last year!

I will stick with an organisation who will fight for our sport and find it a great shame that the biggest that was out there is simple a pocket lining organisation.

regards,
Gixer
 
What a shambles we are in. None of our organisations seem to work for us and are scared to death of confrontation.
The SGA are about the only one with any go but since moving from Scotland I am no longer a member. BASC I left many, many moons ago after attitudes from some of their senior staff led me to believe " This is just a job for the boys outfit" and since then nothing has changed my mind, in fact it has just reinforced my thoughts at every turn. BASC you are no voice for shooters, game or otherwise.
 
As a basc member, I could ask for the original questions from Kes to be answered.
Well FB, I'm certainly happy too to have questions asked of BASC, by BASC members, directed to BASC.

Its just this nonsense on an online forum by non-members I find a bit tiresome and not how I feel OUR representives should be conducting themselves.
 
Well FB, I'm certainly happy too to have questions asked of BASC, by BASC members, directed to BASC.

Its just this nonsense on an online forum by non-members I find a bit tiresome and not how I feel OUR representives should be conducting themselves.

Why in the hell can only BASC members ask questions to BASC?? If they ever want a cat in hells chance of getting credibility and member numbers back I would recommend they try and answer as many questions as they can from all sources!
 
What a shambles we are in. None of our organisations seem to work for us and are scared to death of confrontation.
The SGA are about the only one with any go but since moving from Scotland I am no longer a member. BASC I left many, many moons ago after attitudes from some of their senior staff led me to believe " This is just a job for the boys outfit" and since then nothing has changed my mind, in fact it has just reinforced my thoughts at every turn. BASC you are no voice for shooters, game or otherwise.

I completely agree with what you say TFH and it is why my money goes to SGA, I really do wish they would morph into UKGA as I feel they run a tight ship with relevant focus on topics across the board.
 
Gents, I have reported Connor o'Gorman to the site owners, as he is apparently essentially 'stalking' my posts like a dog with a bone, reiterating points like "save Kes", "integrity in tatters" or whatever, rather more than is, I would suggest, 'normal'.
Its either a personal issue or its an attempt (another) to stifle criticism and questioning of BASC by anyone.
I have explained above why I continue commenting on BASC or 'other orgs' as I believe is reasonable, following further examples of individual or collective failings. The pressure for change only comes from a membership alive to the benefits and failings of an organisation and if we are all lumped together under 'shooting', then for me the self styled "Voice of Shooting had better be good enough. You make your own mind up about that, I just point out things.
The South Yorkshire post is another example Ladygun attempted to find out, explain and rationalise, in this case, BASC's position. Its another departure from HO guidance and yet it appears it has been consulted upon and at least acquiescence obtained from our shooting organisation BSSC. This to my mind is simply not good enough. Departures from HO Guidance has reached a point where the Guidance is worthless - unless its application is challenged.
I am now ignoring Connor O'gorman, Mickydredd, Tim243 and a number of others so their bile/vitriol does not impact my enjoyment of this site and its members advice. I shall stop posting for a couple of days to let this settle as it is affecting the site.
 
I completely agree with what you say TFH and it is why my money goes to SGA, I really do wish they would morph into UKGA as I feel they run a tight ship with relevant focus on topics across the board.

You and me both, but I spoke to Alec years ago when I keepered not far from him.
His opinion at the time was that many Highland members would not want it. I'm afraid it was a little bit of the Scotland/ England thing which was and is a pity. The SGA is run well and if you have ever heard Alec speak at a meeting eg Edinburgh march he is almost fanatical in his support for field sports.
He reminded me slightly of a certain Austrian corporal and certainly inspired the audience. Very similar to the late Ronnie Rose, another practical and excellentsupporter of our sport and the SGA.
Unfortunately a merger of organisations is never likely to happen as too many at BASC would be out of a job and a good easy living.
 
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