BASC launches register of competent deer stalkers

[VSS]

They did once, a banner add

Well I suppose they were paying for it at the time.
But given the amount of stick they get on here, you can hardly blame them if they no longer wish to contribute financially to the site.

 

[devon deer stalker]

Well I suppose they were paying for it at the time.
But given the amount of stick they get on here, you can hardly blame them if they no longer wish to contribute financially to the site.

That's true, but they should be trade

 

[Ratel]

@David Barker and @LPF please show some maturity.

Almost made me think the same, after seeing the youth who is the BASC 'Deer advisor".

 

[Ratel]

Something else that always fascinated me is talk of having some sort of LGHC. I could name a large Game dealer who takes venison from anybody providing it is in good order. At least two local "Stalkers" have been putting venison in there for years without any sort of certificate and no L1 or2.

 

[VSS]

Something else that always fascinated me is talk of having some sort of LGHC. I could name a large Game dealer who takes venison from anybody providing it is in good order. At least two local "Stalkers" have been putting venison in there for years without any sort of certificate and no L1 or2.

Whatever one's views may be on stalker competence training and certification, the Meat Hygiene element is one aspect that all of us should uphold wholeheartedly.
Personally, I would be saying something to the EHO for the area if I knew transgressions were taking place.

 

[Zxrtom]

I’m mid 30s and caught the stalking bug later than most (a few years ago). I’m a member of BASC, and have a permission on a small farm nearby that holds the occasional Roe although most outings are unsuccessful (still good fun though).

I can understand some people’s reservations about the Scheme. After all, if you do not hold any formal ‘qualifications’, yet have been stalking for years/decades, then why should you be ‘excluded’ from this program…

However, I think this is a good thing and I have submitted my details (even though I have only completed DSC 1 with DSC 2 in progress). Because even if one stalker manages to acquire a new permission this is a win surely? For those experienced dudes who are not eligible, yet have areas on which they can stalk, yes they will miss out on this opportunity but at least already have somewhere to stalk. For those looking for a permission this is an excellent opportunity to get linked up with someone who wants a stalker.

In the stalking world often the ‘rich’ get ‘richer’ with stalking areas. At least this may link some people up with opportunities they may not have otherwise found.

 

[Neddle]

It’s members only so stuff what anyone else thinks

Remember that,when your membership fees go through the roof,when they ask you to get accredited maybe every 3 years and when you have to dip into your pockets anytime you want to go out after a deer.

 

[Ratel]

Whatever one's views may be on stalker competence training and certification, the Meat Hygiene element is one aspect that all of us should uphold wholeheartedly.
Personally, I would be saying something to the EHO for the area if I knew transgressions were taking place.

I agree with you Tim but I think they tend to rely on the Vets opinion and the animals are neck or head shot with lead.

 

[VSS]

I agree with you Tim but I think they tend to rely on the Vets opinion and the animals are neck or head shot with lead.

Yes, but really, putting meat illegally into the food chain (which is basically what those stalkers are doing) is about on the same level as poaching, and I don't suppose you'd advocate turning a blind eye to that? ( Well, not these days, anyway ).
In fact, it's worse. It's fraud.
It would only take a couple of serious venison-related food hygiene incidents to change the face of stalking forever in the UK. And now it's being fed to toddlers in nurseries, I should say that the risk of such an incident is getting higher.

 

[David Barker]

I know chaps that give to Game dealer with out cert,s as i did a few years ago. All he says is leave the head on and i check at the door.
Thats the way it was done before DMQ and i for one think in Scotland it is still the same.

 

[VSS]

I know chaps that give to Game dealer with out cert,s as i did a few years ago. All he says is leave the head on and i check at the door.
Thats the way it was done before DMQ and i for one think in Scotland it is still the same.

Well people need to be given a good talking to, otherwise before long the relative freedom that stalkers currently enjoy will be withdrawn.
Every bit of good publicity that comes our way (such as the article in the Times) inevitably results in closer scrutiny of our methods, and we don't want to be found lacking in the very basics.

 

[EMcC]

We never used to have seatbelts in cars, we never used to have cars…….. we never used to have the wheel.

But we still got about so what is the point you are trying to make.?
Are you trying to say in some strange way that we didn't shoot Deer in those days because we didn't have paper work, if you are I can assure you myself and a colleague did very well thank you, although a carcass was only worth £1 if you could find someone to take one. In fact I got more for a Badger, the skinned carcass went for £1 and the skin went for 30/-

 

[sikamalc]

I have been a bit slow to realise, this thread was started by Conor, why isn't he or BASC trade members?
BDS have a charity account, that's fair, but BASC aren't a charity.
@sikamalc doesn't seem fair to me, being a trade member myself.

They are both Trade members. But without the BDS or BASC logo.

 

[devon deer stalker]

They are both Trade members. But without the BDS or BASC logo.

To avoid confusion perhaps Connor should be changed from supporter to trade?

 

[VSS]

They are both Trade members. But without the BDS or BASC logo.

BDS is on the viewable list of trade members, but BASC is not.

 

[Dickie]

I’m mid 30s and caught the stalking bug later than most (a few years ago). I’m a member of BASC, and have a permission on a small farm nearby that holds the occasional Roe although most outings are unsuccessful (still good fun though).

I can understand some people’s reservations about the Scheme. After all, if you do not hold any formal ‘qualifications’, yet have been stalking for years/decades, then why should you be ‘excluded’ from this program…

However, I think this is a good thing and I have submitted my details (even though I have only completed DSC 1 with DSC 2 in progress). Because even if one stalker manages to acquire a new permission this is a win surely? For those experienced dudes who are not eligible, yet have areas on which they can stalk, yes they will miss out on this opportunity but at least already have somewhere to stalk. For those looking for a permission this is an excellent opportunity to get linked up with someone who wants a stalker.

In the stalking world often the ‘rich’ get ‘richer’ with stalking areas. At least this may link some people up with opportunities they may not have otherwise found.

I get some of what you’re saying but “In the stalking world often the ‘rich’ get ‘richer’ with stalking areas.” There are many reasons for this and it’s not just financial, if you’re doing a good job on the ground and the landowner is happy and tells his neighbours, friends and business associates and they have nobody or aren’t happy with who they have then bingo more ground without looking this can become a problem because they then have a big patch and may need support or will then find they can’t perform and are then replaced because they’re not coming up to expectations.

 

[Steve29]

But we still got about so what is the point you are trying to make.?
Are you trying to say in some strange way that we didn't shoot Deer in those days because we didn't have paper work, if you are I can assure you myself and a colleague did very well thank you, although a carcass was only worth £1 if you could find someone to take one. In fact I got more for a Badger, the skinned carcass went for £1 and the skin went for 30/-

I think he was trying to get across that, just because something used to be done one way or we didn’t have it, doesn’t mean that doing it another (maybe even better) way or having it now isn’t progress. And if that’s right then I agree. Progress and proactive change is often viewed as the opposite by those who don’t deem it necessary when, in plenty of cases, the ‘old ways’ often fairly quickly become almost absurd to imagine as ever having been OK. How many people still think not wearing seatbelts is sensible? Or transporting babies/children in a basket on the floor instead of a full car seat? Hard hats on a building site a bad idea? What about pre-flight safety checks on aircraft?

It’s not a stretch to draw comparisons with some of the views being expressed on training and certification here and the other analogies. It’s not a replacement for experience but can, does and should complement it, possibly even help add to it . And why wait for it to be imposed upon us and react, rather than voluntarily engaging now?

I read an old newspaper article the other day about the outrage caused in a local village by proposals to connect their properties to mains electricity. Imagine the outrage for the opposite now!

 

[David Barker]

Well people need to be given a good talking to, otherwise before long the relative freedom that stalkers currently enjoy will be withdrawn.
Every bit of good publicity that comes our way (such as the article in the Times) inevitably results in closer scrutiny of our methods, and we don't want to be found lacking in the very basics.

The whole idea of a AGHA is that they can do the quality control at the door. If not there would be no need to have that accreditation

 

[VSS]

The whole idea of a AGHA is that they can do the quality control at the door. If not there would be no need to have that accreditation

But anyone who is submitting carcasses to an AGHE must have the LGMH certificate.

(And be registered as a Food Business).

 

[T.eddie]

The whole idea of a AGHA is that they can do the quality control at the door. If not there would be no need to have that accreditation

I do believe that if the person submitting doesn't have their trained hunter certification they would also have to bring the gralloch to be checked in order for it to be legal