BASC Wild Boar Course

[Bavarianbrit]

Alan it wouldn't surprise me at all if within the next 5 -10 years a compulsory hunting test similar to that in Sweden, Germany or France will become a prerequisite to the grant of a FAC.
I just hope that we will be able to claim grandfather's rights.

Well they did not grant them for pistol ownership, so dream on.
But I did do the German Jagdschein course in 1998, my ulterior motive was to use it as an excuse to still own some pistols in Europe after the UK had banned them, but during that course it changed me to become very interested in the whole hunting stalking world and I have never looked back so IMO doing a compulsory course brings with it a lot of good and filters out the wannabes.

 

[timbrayford]

Alan it wouldn't surprise me at all if within the next 5 -10 years a compulsory hunting test similar to that in Sweden, Germany or France will become a prerequisite to the grant of a FAC.
I just hope that we will be able to claim grandfather's rights.

Should that arise I'd hope that the rifles that we are now able to possess get removed from S.1. to S.2 - its a long time since semi -auto c/f were available to us and even longer since machine guns were moved to S.5 (1937)

 

[8x57]

Should that arise I'd hope that the rifles that we are now able to possess get removed from S.1. to S.2 - its a long time since semi -auto c/f were available to us and even longer since machine guns were moved to S.5 (1937)

I know that I've been to bed since you last posted but I'm a bit confused, how did the jump to semi-auto rifles and machine guns come into the discussion?

 

[timbrayford]

I know that I've been to bed since you last posted but I'm a bit confused, how did the jump to semi-auto rifles and machine guns come into the discussion?

The original firearms act of 1920 (s1) was intended to prevent an armed revolution, as opposed to the 1967 act to prevent armed crime(s2), neither of these were intended to be used by the police to micro-manage the lawful shooting activities of the law -abiding. Twice within living memory we have experienced dreadful massacres in which lawfully held firearms were used, on both occasion s1 not s2.
Government responses were to ban the specific classes of firearm used but they failed to observe that no amount of good reason, restrictions on ammunition quantities, open or closed certificates, and all the other pettifogging bureaucracy that comes with s1 made a jot of difference. To return to my point about semi-autos & machine guns we are now restricted to those firearms which have recreational and professional uses only. The main risk from the lawful use of these rifles is that they are more dangerous than a shotgun over far distant ranges if carelessly used. The knowledge gained through training may reduce this risk which is why I would be happy that in the event of safety tests becoming compulsory that the firearms that are currently s1 could be reclassified as s2.

 

[Jamouk]

Wild boar course was good !

 

[Moray Outfitting]

You never know when it is going to be mandatory. SNH have tried it up here already but were stopped when the shooting agencies were given the stay as long as there was a good voluntary take up of bL1. They are still talking about renewing every so many years. That would then be money for the Scottish Government. I have a strange saying. I believe all stalkers should have it BUT I do not believe it should be mandatory. Work on that one guys....J

 

[timbrayford]

Wild boar course was good !

Pass?

 

[Jamouk]

Yes a pass ! Similar in concept to DSC1 but with Boar

 

[finnbear270]

Fancy giving a run down of your course experience?

 

[Jamouk]

Yes 2 days

Spend the first day going through about 165 slides covering all things boar ecology, ballistics, behaviour etc then an identification section as dsc1 ie 10 slides and you have to put male or female , adult or juvenile (some tricky ones , part hidden etc ) then assessment paper of 50 multiple choice questions , and then of course the shooting test , 2 in chest at 100 prone , 2 in chest at 70 kneeling or sitting , then a further 2 in chest at 40 standing and then 2 in head standing at 10

Was good fun and learnt a few things !

Before anyone says thats not the back stop its where we pinned the spare targets up !

 

[stubear]

Genuine question - how does this course differ from DSC1, and how does hunting boar differ from hunting deer?

The only thing I can think of thats different is that boar you should test for listeria and trichinosis before consumption and you probably want a bigger rifle as they are tougher animals but otherwise its pretty much the same surely?

In the same way as shooting rabbits works in pretty much the same way as shooting deer except you're using a smaller rifle.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

My pal is a vet in Germany, I was out with him over the 1st May opening roebuck weekend here and he shot a good Uberlaufer then back at his facility he proceeded to remove the organs "we will have a good breakfast now" says he. What about doing the trichinosis test first before we scoff it ask I?
Ha that's for just beginners as I happen to know that it only exists in muscle material (meat) and not in the liver or kidneys. Every day a school day.
BTW did the BASC course also cover or even mention close up with pistol/spear (saufänger) & knife work?

 

[finnbear270]

Sounds an OK course, excepting I would have included running Boar targets.

 

[Jamouk]

Genuine question - how does this course differ from DSC1, and how does hunting boar differ from hunting deer?

The only thing I can think of thats different is that boar you should test for listeria and trichinosis before consumption and you probably want a bigger rifle as they are tougher animals but otherwise its pretty much the same surely?

In the same way as shooting rabbits works in pretty much the same way as shooting deer except you're using a smaller rifle.

There's quite a few differences but yes generally understand what you mean ..things like delivering to game dealer with head and legs still attached and leaving diaghpram largely intact etc also how to differentiate males from females by head /body shape and how the matriach surpresses the other females in the sounder from breeding etc , it was interesting and for the money I felt was worthwhile

 

[timbrayford]

Genuine question - how does this course differ from DSC1, and how does hunting boar differ from hunting deer?

The only thing I can think of thats different is that boar you should test for listeria and trichinosis before consumption and you probably want a bigger rifle as they are tougher animals but otherwise its pretty much the same surely?

In the same way as shooting rabbits works in pretty much the same way as shooting deer except you're using a smaller rifle.

In principle yes but there is probably more to learn than you might think.

 

[timbrayford]

Sounds an OK course, excepting I would have included running Boar targets.

If you did the course you'd find out why not!

 

[baguio]

I am opposed to selling shooting knowledge, have and always will pass it on for free if asked, as do many guides and ghillies.

Do guides and ghillies work for free then? If so, how do they pay their bills?

 

[baguio]

It would be logical for BASC to do it - pure and simply cash - grabbing.
By the way thats my opinion not someone else's.

Well they aren't going to grab much cash if no one wants to do the course are they? However, based on this thread it would appear that there is a need. If they don't run a course then someone else will. I fail to see the point of your post to be honest?

 

[Stalker62]

I am opposed to selling shooting knowledge, have and always will pass it on for free if asked, as do many guides and ghillies.

Those same Guides and Ghillies are (usually) "employed " by their guest.

As a guest, that is what you are spending your hard earned money on - their hard earned experience, expertise and knowledge.

I do not recall any teacher/lecturer/instructor of mine , imparting anything for free.

 

[Strayer]

I had no problem varying my, rifle to deer and boar AOLQ without DSC1 etc. and my .223 Wylde MSR, 40 S&W, .357 mag and 22 LR's to pest and vermin control without problem. My question is has anyone used the firearms safety training provided by the UKPSA, either the newer long gun(rifle, shotgun, mini rifle) or short gun(pistol, LBP, LBR) training, it is usually at cost and many Police Authorities want a long gun safety course when applicants want a Sec 1 shotgun. What are your feelings on this?