BASC's stringent quality control requirements for providers???
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liddlesdale
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David
Can you answer the 1 easy question that has been asked many times, "what are basc stringent quality conrol measures"
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Or isn't there one ????.
Paul at Fechan
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David, I don't know the actual person who provided the information to our centre because it went to our co-ordinator (not me personally) but it was from DMQ....
but buy the way.....
Since the start of this year, our centre which includes newer providers like James has put through 118 candidates of which 115 have passed. Of the 3 still to complete the award ie pass the shooting, all are very simply tidy ups and we look forward to getting them through soon.
An Honest 97.5% for this year so far.
but buy the way.....
Since the start of this year, our centre which includes newer providers like James has put through 118 candidates of which 115 have passed. Of the 3 still to complete the award ie pass the shooting, all are very simply tidy ups and we look forward to getting them through soon.
An Honest 97.5% for this year so far.
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Comparative claims inc. "best"
http://www.cap.org.uk/Advice-Traini...tabase/Types-of-Claims-Best.aspx#.U85IxodOVoI
http://www.cap.org.uk/Advice-Traini...tabase/Types-of-Claims-Best.aspx#.U85IxodOVoI
liddlesdale, As I have said in my post above, I do not have the full detailed knowledge of the Accredited trainer assessment system so I have asked those that do (by telephone this morning) to try and email me the outline today, that are at the Royal Welsh with no access to the internet during the day
Paul, thanks, I was not aware that DMQ kept list of success rates.
Smashing news on your success rates YTD by the way!
David
Paul, thanks, I was not aware that DMQ kept list of success rates.
Smashing news on your success rates YTD by the way!
David
Paul at Fechan
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There are no kept or published lists but all you have to do is ask for the stats and a quick check and there you go
I must say I am ignorant of the detail but I thought DMQ just get the details of those who have passed and not those who have passed and failed through any one provider? So if I called DMQ and asked what the % pass rate of XYZ training provider was how can they tell me?
Afraid the internet, or lack of it, is causing problems and I doubt I will get much more info today, and I am about to go on leave for 2 weeks.
But as I understand it the assessment of an Accredited trainer will involve sitting in on a training course to see how the course is delivered, talking with the training providers about what they do and how they do it and making suggestions or demands for change as necessary, and if they are seen to be delivering training to a good standard and the learning objectives are being met by the candidates then they will become a BASC Accredited trainer.
As has been said there are loads of trainers and several assessment centres so candidates are fee to choose which they wish to use, and the proof of the pudding is that across the board pass rates are high, so demonstrably trainers out there are doing a good job.
Complaints about how any provider of training chooses to promote themselves in adverts is another matter and as I have said earlier we would have no objection at all to a accredited BASC trainer from saying so on their adverts. Many of our members and others are naturally drawn to BASC accredited trainers and coaches obviously as they have an empathy with BASC.
That is not saying for a moment that other trainers are not very good at what they do too, but as we can see by looking at the web sites of various trainers they all play to their strengths and offer a range of benefits and services to attract potential customers
Complaints against a trainer or indeed against the assessment centre should be made in writing and will be properly investigated.
Any providers out there who are not a BASC accredited trainer can ask to be assessed for accreditation, perhaps that's the best way for you to see first hand how the system works.
David
Afraid the internet, or lack of it, is causing problems and I doubt I will get much more info today, and I am about to go on leave for 2 weeks.
But as I understand it the assessment of an Accredited trainer will involve sitting in on a training course to see how the course is delivered, talking with the training providers about what they do and how they do it and making suggestions or demands for change as necessary, and if they are seen to be delivering training to a good standard and the learning objectives are being met by the candidates then they will become a BASC Accredited trainer.
As has been said there are loads of trainers and several assessment centres so candidates are fee to choose which they wish to use, and the proof of the pudding is that across the board pass rates are high, so demonstrably trainers out there are doing a good job.
Complaints about how any provider of training chooses to promote themselves in adverts is another matter and as I have said earlier we would have no objection at all to a accredited BASC trainer from saying so on their adverts. Many of our members and others are naturally drawn to BASC accredited trainers and coaches obviously as they have an empathy with BASC.
That is not saying for a moment that other trainers are not very good at what they do too, but as we can see by looking at the web sites of various trainers they all play to their strengths and offer a range of benefits and services to attract potential customers
Complaints against a trainer or indeed against the assessment centre should be made in writing and will be properly investigated.
Any providers out there who are not a BASC accredited trainer can ask to be assessed for accreditation, perhaps that's the best way for you to see first hand how the system works.
David
6pointer
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So is DMQ BASC/DMQ David and have you got the go ahead to assess all the centres on there behalf or is this just a accreditation invented by BASC with out substance.?
Who from BASC sits in on the Assessment centres and what qualifications do they have to give out special awards on behalf of DMQ.
Who from BASC sits in on the Assessment centres and what qualifications do they have to give out special awards on behalf of DMQ.
ummm ..... they say manners maketh the man ..... I think BASC deserve some courtesy if you have a question or comment and I for one think you are being bloody rude.
Paul at Fechan
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David, the figures go per assessment centre but based on times when I've been in touch with dmq they seem to be able to tie a candidate to a course date/location. Perhaps the database used includes this but that's just speculation. There's no way you can phone up and get figures on other providers or centres that's for sure!
What you said about how you understand the accreditation process, that sounds like what most centres will do for their providers before letting them loose under the centre's name so does this mean that all providers should carry accredited status from their assessment centre?
The question before us is not of standards in provision which are without a doubt very good across the board, but with the promotion of an accredited status that involves unknown 'stringent standards' to achieve it then used to set one group of providers above the rest by suggestion. To me as a qualified teacher attached to an HMI inspected college, stringent standards of inspection are a bit more that a mundane process of some observation followed by feedback before a handshake.
Why would I wan't to go through BASC accreditation process to see how it works? A simple form, fact sheet or set of training objectives would tell me that!
What you said about how you understand the accreditation process, that sounds like what most centres will do for their providers before letting them loose under the centre's name so does this mean that all providers should carry accredited status from their assessment centre?
The question before us is not of standards in provision which are without a doubt very good across the board, but with the promotion of an accredited status that involves unknown 'stringent standards' to achieve it then used to set one group of providers above the rest by suggestion. To me as a qualified teacher attached to an HMI inspected college, stringent standards of inspection are a bit more that a mundane process of some observation followed by feedback before a handshake.
Why would I wan't to go through BASC accreditation process to see how it works? A simple form, fact sheet or set of training objectives would tell me that!
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David, you wrote
[But as I understand it the assessment of an Accredited trainer will involve sitting in on a training course to see how the course is delivered, talking with the training providers about what they do and how they do it and making suggestions or demands for change as necessary, and if they are seen to be delivering training to a good standard and the learning objectives are being met by the candidates then they will become a BASC Accredited trainer.]
For me, this stood out
"making suggestions or demands for change as necessary"
So does this include turning up and demanding that the instructors and candidates ,who have been following the DMQ best current practice, cease forthwith and follow YOUR interpretation of best practice?
And then require the testers to mark against YOUR interpretation of the current best practice set out by DMQ?
I speak as a member of the course that was assessed and someone who remains puzzled by who actually sets the syllabus. Is it DMQ or BASC?
[But as I understand it the assessment of an Accredited trainer will involve sitting in on a training course to see how the course is delivered, talking with the training providers about what they do and how they do it and making suggestions or demands for change as necessary, and if they are seen to be delivering training to a good standard and the learning objectives are being met by the candidates then they will become a BASC Accredited trainer.]
For me, this stood out
"making suggestions or demands for change as necessary"
So does this include turning up and demanding that the instructors and candidates ,who have been following the DMQ best current practice, cease forthwith and follow YOUR interpretation of best practice?
And then require the testers to mark against YOUR interpretation of the current best practice set out by DMQ?
I speak as a member of the course that was assessed and someone who remains puzzled by who actually sets the syllabus. Is it DMQ or BASC?
6pointer
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Sorry Tony if you thought my post Rude it was not meant at all .Just questions that need answering and with BASC not answering it looks just a tad iffy.
DMQ set the syllabus.
I am talking here of accrediting trainers, not changing the syllabus.
I am talking about advising potential trainers on how they deliver / present the course, not changing the content.
The completed courses re then assessed as I am sure you all know by the assessment centre
There is little more I can add, and as I said I am about to go away, and the people who have the answers are at the Royal Welsh, so please write to BASC, preferably to Gary Ashton if you are interested in the BASC accreditation process for trainers.
David
I am talking here of accrediting trainers, not changing the syllabus.
I am talking about advising potential trainers on how they deliver / present the course, not changing the content.
The completed courses re then assessed as I am sure you all know by the assessment centre
There is little more I can add, and as I said I am about to go away, and the people who have the answers are at the Royal Welsh, so please write to BASC, preferably to Gary Ashton if you are interested in the BASC accreditation process for trainers.
David
I am not at all sure I follow what the OP is hoping to gain by all this, and as has been said by others it is all looking so petty ....... and although the OP didn't want BASC bashing, they are being hounded ....
Still, if you have real issues with this subject then you are absolutely right and entitled to pursue it ... but maybe the aggressive nature of the questioning is counter productive by producing a reluctance to give detail, which will lead no doubt to more aggressive questioning .......!
"I am talking here of accrediting trainers, not changing the syllabus."
Well David, I know 2 other active posters on SD who were also part of the course and having checked with one of them both he and I would disagree with your comment about not changing the syllabus!
Well David, I know 2 other active posters on SD who were also part of the course and having checked with one of them both he and I would disagree with your comment about not changing the syllabus!
palmer_mike
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Err, the test papers are set be DMQ, so how can anyone change the syllabus?
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