BASC's stringent quality control requirements for providers???

[David63]

As I have repeatedly said the people with the answers are not in the office, and as I have said several times please contact them.

The accreditation process has been clearly explained by me and someone who has been through it. Its is delivered by someone who has been involved in training, both delivering, developing, teaching and teaching teachers on training for decades. Those who have passed are re-assessed and not everyone passed the re-assessment...as some on here know full well. Perhaps that's not good enough for you? Perhaps that's not rigorous enough for you?

I stand corrected if you do see the personal benefit of becoming a BASC accredited trainer and we look forward to your application.

You ask what I am, I am male, 50 years old, biologist by degree but chemist by practice, latterly (25 years ago) moving into sales and marketing, with more marketing courses under my belt than I can remember, I was a qualified karate instructor until injury forced me to quit 6 years ago, I am now a qualified rugby union coach and referee. I hope that answers that part of your question.

I find it confusing that at one moment you are saying the BASC accreditation is good and then the next you say it devalues the standard that the (entire?) education sector is striving for - ridiculous!

 

[Jelendeer]

David, you can't answer the question about what these stringent standards are to become accredited which is the whole point of this thread or am I wrong yes/no? You have tried very hard in the past to your credit to answer ALL basc related questions going through other people as needed to get the answers. Why not this one then..?

It is incredibile that I explain the merits of honest accreditation and you come along and say I see no benefit in what accreditation stands for. I am a qualified teacher, what are you? Accreditation stands for recognition of excellence which serves to provide assurances of standards. BUT, for BASC to rubber stamp their approval on trainers as 'accredited' and by Jelen's description having 'satisfied BASC's stringent quality control requirements' which don't seem to exist, you devalue the standard the education sector strives for.

You have been called, your chips are lost

Paul, David BASC has mentioned MANY times now that the person you need to speak to was at the CLA, and is now at the Royal Welsh show. Yet you continue to DEMAND an answer from him! … Why?

You are very much on a one-man crusade here, and for a 'professional' you are pursuing this issue in a very UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER. In doing so you are making yourself look a bit pathetic. I'm surprised.

Regards,

Mike.

Mike Allison
Managing Director - Jelen Deer Services
01264 811155

 

[berg]

I'm reluctant to add fuel to Paul/Baronys fire but I will tell you about my experience.

Myself and my colleague are BASC Approved Trainers in Carcass handling and butchery. In order to achieve this status we were observed for a full day whilst training students by the BASC Head of Training. He later debreifed us and made a couple of constructive suggestions for the future. We had to show that we had risk assessments and first aid qualifications in place and the venue was also evaluated. These details are reconfirmed annually, this week in fact.

At the moment we only instruct on BASC courses but there is no reason why we cannot run courses independently or for other organisations or companies. On BASC courses all students are asked to provide feedback which, in turn, is fed back to us.

Does BASC approval make you a better instructor? Probably not.

Does it give potential students confidence that the course is not mickey mouse? Yes, I think so.

Does it make other training providers insecure/jealous/angry/tired and emotional? Apparently so although I don't see why it should.

i just looked on there web site no metion off butchery I find it quite insulting that there can be basc approved butchery and to be honest it meens nothing to anyone other than those that no nothing about butchery ,there is only one recognised award for butchery and that comes from the gulid butchers unless you are just showing people how to do house wife stuff like skin a rabbit bone and dice a leg off venison

 

[berg]

Paul, David BASC has mentioned MANY times now that the person you need to speak to was at the CLA, and is now at the Royal Welsh show. Yet you continue to DEMAND an answer from him! … Why?

You are very much on a one-man crusade here, and for a 'professional' you are pursuing this issue in a very UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER. In doing so you are making yourself look a bit pathetic. I'm surprised.

Regards,

Mike.

Mike Allison
Managing Director - Jelen Deer Services
01264 811155

actually i will say i didnt argeed with anybody having a go a another mans bussiness ,BUT its basc that are letting you down now and they need to give some clear answers as there is alot of poeple waiting on them now ,this can off worms is fully opened now

 

[HunterMoore]

actually i will say i didnt argeed with anybody having a go a another mans bussiness ,BUT its basc that are letting you down now and they need to give some clear answers as there is alot of poeple waiting on them now ,this can off worms is fully opened now

there has been some pretty sad threads on SD, but this must take the prize ........

As someone who is not a provider, I reckon BASC have more than answered the question posed .... now its just getting silly and personal and I really hope this gets stopped soon.

 

[sws]

To my eyes the OP is doing a good job of putting people off of using his services. I'd say with this and previous posts/issues he does a great job of increasing other peoples business; whether that be training providers or sporting agents

 

[berg]

there has been some pretty sad threads on SD, but this must take the prize ........

As someone who is not a provider, I reckon BASC have more than answered the question posed .... now its just getting silly and personal and I really hope this gets stopped soon.

sory i cant see were the word stringent
has been explain maybe its the wrong word to be using as the S.A.S would be put through a stringent trainning program would you not agree

 

[HunterMoore]

sory i cant see were the word stringent
has been explain maybe its the wrong word to be using as the S.A.S would be put through a stringent trainning program would you not agree

you are now talking absolute boll@cks ... I have got better things to do and really wish I hadn't risen to the bait of reading this thread in the first place .... but SWS above sums it up nicely .... enough said really.

 

[Jelendeer]

If basc are to use the word stringent quality control requirements ,they must be accountable to what they are ,but it seem's much to my dissapointment that they cannot give any clear and easy to understand answers .witch will and has all ready started to discredited any provider who claims this .And i am not sure if i read it right but basc are offering butchery lesson's i hope they do not claim your are a capable butcher after attending one of these demo's or do you get a bit off paper to say that you can dice up meat ,i would like some more info on this as i have been in the trade for 25 years and there is no way you can learn knife skills in a day, it takes years

Hi Berg,

I don't think BASC used the words 'stringent quality control requirements', that was us (Jelen) in our advert for DSC1. Also we (Jelen) have never said we're the best!! BEST OPTION, BEST VALUE FOR MONEY, yes, and we stand by that … 100%.

Anyone with any sense could be forgiven for thinking that this thread is borne solely out of jealousy, and raised by an unaccredited trainer to discredit the accreditation process!!! … The manner in which certain posters have approached this is infantile!

Regards,

Mike

Mike Allison
Managing Director - Jelen Deer Services
01264 811155

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Paul, David BASC has mentioned MANY times now that the person you need to speak to was at the CLA, and is now at the Royal Welsh show. Yet you continue to DEMAND an answer from him! … Why?

You are very much on a one-man crusade here, and for a 'professional' you are pursuing this issue in a very UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER. In doing so you are making yourself look a bit pathetic. I'm surprised.

Regards,

Mike.

Mike, you're right here mate and you're the one making the flash statements about being accredited and best this that and the next thing. If you can't tell me what the standards are you never knew what they were in the first place.

I'm only asking for answers, be careful describing someone as pathetic

 

[Jelendeer]

To my eyes the OP is doing a good job of putting people off of using his services. I'd say with this and previous posts/issues he does a great job of increasing other peoples business; whether that be training providers or sporting agents

+1

 

[Jelendeer]

Mike, you're right here mate and you're the one making the flash statements about them. If you can't tell me what the standards are you never knew what they were in the first place.

I'm only asking for answers, be careful describing someone as pathetic

I rest my case!

 

[berg]

Hi Berg,

Anyone with any sense could be forgiven for thinking that this thread is borne solely out of jealousy, and raised by an unaccredited trainer to discredit the accreditation process!!! … The manner in which certain posters have approached this is infantile!

Regards,

Mike

Mike Allison
Managing Director - Jelen Deer Services
01264 811155

I don't think BASC used the words 'stringent quality control requirements', that was us (Jelen) in our advert for DSC1. Also we (Jelen) have never said we're the best!! BEST OPTION, BEST VALUE FOR MONEY, yes, and we stand by that … 100%.

mike you go ahead and call your self what ever you like ,and as far as i know you could well be the best in the uk others seem to think so and good luck to you ,but by using basc and sringent q control you have left your self open a bit for those that see you as competition .

 

[Paul at Fechan]

I rest my case!

yep, you can't answer. Sold that one well Mike

 

[I. Farticus]

I took my DSC1 with Jelen, as they are reasonably local, not because they were BASC accredited. I found them listed in the back of Sporting Rifle and booked.

If I was based in SW Scotland, it's just as likely that I'd have booked with Barony (if they had an ad where I'd looked).

This was done and dusted before I came across SD, and I suspect that most of Jelen's and Barony's business comes from marketing anywhere but here.

This is just "handbags" now and no-one is coming across particularly well...

 

[Paul at Fechan]

I find it confusing that at one moment you are saying the BASC accreditation is good and then the next you say it devalues the standard that the (entire?) education sector is striving for - ridiculous!

Sorry David, you're trying to twist things. The is a massive difference between genuinly achieved accreditation status because of merit and measurable standards compared to a rubber stamp from BASC without any backup from the people bragging about it who are unable or unwilling to give credibility to the process they went through by explaining it. All Jelen had to do was explain -THIS-

 

[jimbo1984]

To my eyes the OP is doing a good job of putting people off of using his services. I'd say with this and previous posts/issues he does a great job of increasing other peoples business; whether that be training providers or sporting agents

absolutely correct !

 

[scubadog]

If you used it then perhaps you can tell us what your stringent quality control requirements are?

I actually find it some what wrong that you publish a 100% pass rate.
As someone who is used to studying at very high level I appreciate how much work is needed to put in to pass the exams.
I expect that some will fail, that is the whole point of a qualification.
The fact you boast so much about the 100% pass rate is an insult to those who already have the qualification.
You are reducing the value of the qualification by somehow passing EVERY candidate that comes through your door.
I don't believe that you somehow have the answer to teaching EVERYONE how to learn the contents of the course....
I would like to ask what quality controls a BASC accredited scheme undergoes to ensure that they are all teaching the content rather than to pass an exam?
I would ask what checks are made by BASC

Hi Berg,

I don't think BASC used the words 'stringent quality control requirements', that was us (Jelen) in our advert for DSC1. Also we (Jelen) have never said we're the best!! BEST OPTION, BEST VALUE FOR MONEY, yes, and we stand by that … 100%.

Anyone with any sense could be forgiven for thinking that this thread is borne solely out of jealousy, and raised by an unaccredited trainer to discredit the accreditation process!!! … The manner in which certain posters have approached this is infantile!

Regards,

Mike

Mike Allison
Managing Director - Jelen Deer Services
01264 811155

 

[Paul at Fechan]

There is no 100% pass rate historically because people will fall short of the standards whether it's shooting or main paper etc, but over time the candidates falling short with encouragement should pass the outstanding component.

The only way to ensure an absolute 100% pass rate is to hold back a candidates failed assessments and get that candidates reassessed later while holding onto their money or so I would assume anyways?

ALL candidates should be given a referral form if they don't pass all of the assessments while the completed elements are processed. This allows them to go and complete their oustanding component through any centre on an assessment day anywhere.

 

[David63]

Please Paul evidence your statement that the BASC accredited trainers and the BASC accredited trainer scheme is devaluing the standard that the education sector is striving for? Surely you are not saying that all BASC accredited trainers are devaluing deer stalker training?