BBC at its finest....

[The Singing Stalker]

Should we change the word “climate change” (which never stops) to something like, “extremely accelerated climate change”, which is what most scientists believe based on the data they have, is happening,

An interesting video on why many people do not believe in it.

 

[timbrayford]

I'm not so sure where science comes into it.
The Met Office/BBC are claiming the hottest June day from their weather station at Lingwood Norfolk, I just wondered how that compared to 1976 at exactly the same location, and indeed how that compared to the past 150 odd years there when so-called records began.
However this notion met with a fatal snag, the Met Office has kept no such long standing record from Lingwood to compare with, if there has been no consistency with accurate recording this starts look more like conjecture than science?

 

[tackb]

This is from a model looking at mortality above expected baseline mortality that is probably due to the excess heat due to global warming (which is happening, it is our fault, and we can do something about it). Heat is not good for frail people

The BBC is just reporting on a scientific report.

I'm looking forward to the BBC series on evolution, and, given the irrational dislike of the BBC and the contempt reserved for Chris Packham, I am expecting many on this forum to now reject evolution as a biological process.

may i ask how the current climate is differing from the historical climate we're aware of through testing core samples etc?

may i also ask how it is our fault ?

finally may i ask what we can do about it ?

 

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may i ask how the current climate is differing from the historical climate we're aware of through testing core samples etc?

may i also ask how it is our fault ?

finally may i ask what we can do about it ?

I'll leave your first question to someone with appropriate knowledge, but for questions 2 and 3, I'm going for 'It isn't' and 'Sod all' respectively.

 

[timbrayford]

may i ask how the current climate is differing from the historical climate we're aware of through testing core samples etc?

may i also ask how it is our fault ?

finally may i ask what we can do about it ?

Having been a small child in an unheated house with no double glazing during the winter of 62/63 I can see no merit whatsoever in stopping a warming climate, and if the Greenland Ice Core samples are to be believed we are literally a very long way from any kind of meltdown anyway

 

[shakey jake]

Having been a small child in an unheated house with no double glazing during the winter of 62/63 I can see no merit whatsoever in stopping a warming climate, and if the Greenland Ice Core samples are to be believed we are literally a very long way from any kind of meltdown anywayView attachment 483160

Where did you find that graph?

 

[Chris Richardson]

Having been a small child in an unheated house with no double glazing during the winter of 62/63 I can see no merit whatsoever in stopping a warming climate, and if the Greenland Ice Core samples are to be believed we are literally a very long way from any kind of meltdown anywayView attachment 483160

odd how folk never mention the 1700 little ice age isnt it .............

 

[Smellydog]

The climate has always changed.
It's not our fault.
Co2 rises due to global warming , it does not cause global warming, it's a result of global warming.
Reducing co2 is preventing green life.
No I'm not buying an electric car and no I don't believe in evolution, adaptation yes, evolution, no.

 

[Chris Richardson]

The climate has always changed.
It's not our fault.
Co2 rises due to global warming , it does not cause global warming, it's a result of global warming.
Reducing co2 is preventing green life.
No I'm not buying an electric car and no I don't believe in evolution, adaptation yes, evolution, no.

Exactly planets been heating and cooling for millions of years and will continue to do so no matter what we do

 

[finbar]

The Roman wall in Northumberland the romans were growing olives & grapes 2000 odd years ago.
The late great David Bellamy shot the global warming zealots down with that quote & strangely was never seen on the bbc again

 

[Smellydog]

Should we change the word “climate change” (which never stops) to something like, “extremely accelerated climate change”, which is what most scientists believe based on the data they have, is happening,

An interesting video on why many people do not believe in it.

I never said I don't believe it. Quite the opposite, I was taught in class and by Bellamy that the climate is to warm as we are still emerging from the last ice age.

The rub is that the wolves that control us make us feel guilty so we hand our taxes over.

Now if just one of the ****s could inform me by just how much we have reduced global warming or climate change since the 90's when all this green tax bollocks started I might be mildly impressed but I am not going to hold my breath waiting.
Where's my matches....

 

[NoIDeer]

Surely all this warming will make harvesting solar energy easier. Where's the problem?

We will only need to start worrying if the CO2 starts escaping the planet which it can't.

 

[TringSaint]

I'm sick of being preached at about climate change. We live in a country which contributes circa 1% of the world's carbon dioxide. Frankly, whatever we do in the UK is pointless whilst industrial giants and the developing world burns fossil fuel like there's no tomorrow.
No denying that the climate has always changed. The coal in the ground beneath my house exists because there was tropical forest here previously.

And that is the crux of the issue. The carbon has been locked away for millions of years and we are rapidly releasing it.

The laws of thermodynamics are simple in that matter cannot be created, only converted from one form to another. That is what we are doing - turning carbon that was once trees and sea critters into coal, oil and gas and then back into co2 (which creates a greenhouse effect on the planet).

This is not a problem if we have plenty of trees to suck it back up again and lock it away, but we have also cut the forests down!

All of this has been known and predicted for decades and yet people still say it’s all fake, despite countless scientific studies proving the case for man made climate change. But, some people cannot be told and will always take the easy option.

But when agriculture in the uk collapses or our deer species die out because we have very dry summers or very wet winters then I guess people might give a damn!!

 

[finbar]

Most on here do give a dam
That’s why we are very sceptical look into the financial records of the big green companies ceo & the likes
Old saying follow the money

 

[Scarpa]

Yes, the climate has always varied but it is usually a fairly drawn out process. The rapid changes we are now undergoing look to be mainly driven by man made causes. When you consider that we have had a very stable global weather pattern for the past approx. 7 thousand years enabling human agriculture to develop and support our current populations and civilisations, that the majority of human settlements are based around coastal regions with many large cities based around ports now at increased flooding risk... the current models for the next 200 years make scary reading. Add in the rapidly changing ocean currents and things are mot looking good. I live up in the Alps and the glacial retreats in just the past 10 years are so noticeable.

 

[shakey jake]

Most on here do give a dam
That’s why we are very sceptical look into the financial records of the big green companies ceo & the likes
Old saying follow the money

Have you followed the money then? What did you learn?

 

[shakey jake]

Yes, the climate has always varied but it is usually a fairly drawn out process. The rapid changes we are now undergoing look to be mainly driven by man made causes. When you consider that we have had a very stable global weather pattern for the past approx. 7 thousand years enabling human agriculture to develop and support our current populations and civilisations, that the majority of human settlements are based around coastal regions with many large cities based around ports now at increased flooding risk... the current models for the next 200 years make scary reading. Add in the rapidly changing ocean currents and things are mot looking good. I live up in the Alps and the glacial retreats in just the past 10 years are so noticeable.

Where will people live if the sea keeps rising?

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

seems like we need more Co2 in the atmosphere

 

[Scarpa]

View attachment 483193seems like we need more Co2 in the atmosphere

Not that simple I'm afraid. You are looking at 500 million years of history in Berner's previous study. Mammals have only been around for approx. 200 million as per the graph taken from his 2001 data.. Humans for a miniscule amount of time on that timescale. Human civilisation would hardly register.

Geocarb III: A Revised Model of Atmospheric CO~2~ Over Phanerozoic Time | Published in American Journal of Science

By Robert A. Berner, Zavareth Kothavala. Revision of the GEOCARB model (Berner, 1991, 1994) for paleolevels of atmospheric CO2, has been made with emphasis on factors affecting CO2 uptake by continental weathering. This includes: (1) new...

ajsonline.org

 

[Klenchblaize]

I think the whole argument of fossil fuel use leading to Global Warming and what we (the UK) as a percentage of the 'problem' should or shouldn't do has moved on to that of pressing ahead with Net Zero, c/o renewables, in the interest of long-term Homeland Security.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

K