tackb
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Sooo do tell me why the 6.5x55SE doesn’t reign supreme, go on I dare you?
vintage creedmoor no longer reigns supreme because the modern creedmoor is better and in a short action.....
Best all-round “calibre” aka chambering…
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vintage creedmoor no longer reigns supreme because the modern creedmoor is better and in a short action.....
Dunwaters
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Yes, I specified stalking for the .270 with informal target shooting as a secondary reason.
I reversed the rational for the 6.5 and also got a moderator for use in high amenity areas.
I have a fairly generous ammo allowance on all my certs, I asked for it because of the target shooting and the savings to be made by buying a slab of 200 instead of smaller quantities.
Hook'N'Bullet
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So you have stalking on the 6.5 and stalking/target on the .270? I'm planning on putting justification for the new rifle as hill stalking and .308 for forestry work.
Yeah I'm not sure what happened with my local Garda station. I know the Super and know ex colleagues of his (one of which I shoot with regularly) and lets just say, his references aren't exactly glowing. I put in a formal request to up it to 500 as per the guideline allowance for stalkers. Been 4 weeks now, with 2 follow ups but have heard nothing. Nearly all of my shooting is S42 work so need ammo on hand.
Dunwaters
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Why is the short action such a big advantage?
A standard length action will take short cartridges, a short action cannot handle a standard cartridge, your cartridge options are limited.
I’ve heard all the theoretical reasons why short is better, but frankly they seem less than convincing.
More accurate, how much more and does it actually matter to anyone other than a skilled target shooter?
Faster to operate, how much faster and what’s the real world advantage?
Lighter, probably true but you’re talking ounces, again no real world impact.
Dunwaters
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I have stalking target on the .270 and target/stalking and use in high amenity areas on the 6.5
Ask NARGC to make a call on your behalf. It can’t do any harm. Follow up your request, but once the cert is issued the Gards are very reluctant to change it because they have to go back to HQ and have a new one printed. You may have to wait for the next renewal.
tackb
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look at it the other way , think of the performance you want then decide if you want an excessively large action to achieve it or a more compact lighter more rigid action to achieve the same performance?
and all the things you list are true so it literally is better , by small margins yes but still better............
Hook'N'Bullet
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Unfortunately I'm not in NARGC as there's no game clubs near me. Based in Dublin and shoot in Wicklow. I have country sports ireland membership so I might give Ronan a shout for his opinion. I get what you mean about being reluctant. I don't think my local knows their arse from their elbow.
My father had an a400 in for renewal, took 4 months to get. Had to drop the gun to our clay club for storage as license lapsed. Multiple unanswered phone calls to the sergeant. Eventually a license showed up in the post but it was for the wrong gun!
Dunwaters
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It has advantages for a small number of users, but its not better…..
Just like the .308 is not better than the 30/06 and the 6.5 Creedmoor is not “better” than the Swede. The Swede is a better choice for a truly versatile rifle, the newbie is optimised for paper punching.
Dunwaters
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Looking at your post again, if I was in your position I would definitely apply for another rifle. You shoot most of your deer on a section 42, which qualifies as essential management, you therefore need a spare firearm.
My situation is similar to yours, live in Dublin, stalk in Wicklow.
Hook'N'Bullet
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Oh I know yeah, for the ammo request, I've provided copies of all S42s that I have. Outlined that I'm shooting all year, financial issues with travelling to get ammo in small batches vs buying in bulk etc. Confirming zero throughout the year, proficiency at longer shots in Midlands. I've given them the works.
As for new gun, I'm aiming for one in the new year
Heym SR20
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The 270 was one of the first fast flat shooting cartridges. It’s 100 years old. Set point of aim about 2” high at 100 yards. Put the bead of the front sight of your winchester model 70 on the shoulder of that sheep, antelope or deer at ranges you could hardly consider, squeeze the trigger and it fell over dead. And you didn’t have a lot of recoil.
It gained a very good reputation early on in the US. When 270’s started appearing on the Scottish Hills in late 1940’s / early 1960’s it probably added considerably to the ease of taking deer. Most were shot with things like 303’s and 6.5 Mannlicher. When Parker hale, BSA, Sako, Steyr Mannlichers all started producing 270 rifles, they just took over. The 270 is pretty perfect for Scottish open hill stalking. Fast, flat shooting so range judgement (in days pre scope and pre range finder) not critical and with sufficient authority to drop any deer quickly and humanely, and easy on the shoulder, what was not to like.
7x57 would do the same - but it has always been a German cartridge. After the war it was the US that the UK turned to for inspiration.
And for the US market the British gunmakers were making 270’s for the American market - they were seen as higher quality than local American made rifles, in same way that 1950’s and 60’s British Sports cars that flooded the American market. Hardly surprising that a proportion remained in the UK for the UK market.
270’s little brother the 243 came along mid 1950’s and also caused a big stir both sides of the pond.
It gained a very good reputation early on in the US. When 270’s started appearing on the Scottish Hills in late 1940’s / early 1960’s it probably added considerably to the ease of taking deer. Most were shot with things like 303’s and 6.5 Mannlicher. When Parker hale, BSA, Sako, Steyr Mannlichers all started producing 270 rifles, they just took over. The 270 is pretty perfect for Scottish open hill stalking. Fast, flat shooting so range judgement (in days pre scope and pre range finder) not critical and with sufficient authority to drop any deer quickly and humanely, and easy on the shoulder, what was not to like.
7x57 would do the same - but it has always been a German cartridge. After the war it was the US that the UK turned to for inspiration.
And for the US market the British gunmakers were making 270’s for the American market - they were seen as higher quality than local American made rifles, in same way that 1950’s and 60’s British Sports cars that flooded the American market. Hardly surprising that a proportion remained in the UK for the UK market.
270’s little brother the 243 came along mid 1950’s and also caused a big stir both sides of the pond.
kenbro
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I don't. But many think that there is a big difference between the two chamberings....
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tackb
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but you listed the ways it's better already and now you're saying it's not , you'll need to make your mind up !
the newby as you put it isn't optimised for paper punching it's optimised for accuracy , i can't see a single reason to purposefully use a round thats delivers the same terminal effect but less accurately on live game , again you are not making sense ?
AM_Lillycombe
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I'm new to stalking but not to shooting. Consistency is surely all that matters once to have enough power to actually make a clean kill???
Foxyboy43
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You are spot on but us silly old farts like to argue over this topic time and time again as its amusing and nothing else.
100% of deer shot with any deer legal calibre in the right place at a sensible range....all died ..end of
But 6.5 Creed is the best
Foxyboy43
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You are spot on but us silly old farts like to argue over this topic time and time again as its amusing and nothing else.
100% of deer shot with any deer legal calibre in the right place at a sensible range....all died ..end of
But 6.5 Creed is the best
and again…..
AM_Lillycombe
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I’d like to mess around with some of the older calibres.
Maybe in an over & under, fixed magnification scope, no range finder, deer antler shooting stick, lots of tweed etc.
Maybe in an over & under, fixed magnification scope, no range finder, deer antler shooting stick, lots of tweed etc.
Buy a .270 and live in the woods, in a cave and make clothes from deer hides
You will fit in with a good few on here.