Best low light scope for stalking?

Hmmm. Not legal in some places e.g. Krankieland but you might be pleasantly surprised at just how much light gathering there is on a Pard 007 and 008 with nil IR on.
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I will NEVER have open turrets in the field, be there a zero stop and/or lockable turrets or not. I have other things to worry about than twiddling on the scope during a hunt. Looks very cool on TV but probably produces more errors than not.
 
I will NEVER have open turrets in the field, be there a zero stop and/or lockable turrets or not. I have other things to worry about than twiddling on the scope during a hunt. Looks very cool on TV but probably produces more errors than not.
Never got the point of them myself. Why would you have the two key elements of setting accuracy exposed to knocking, rubbing, etc.
Call me old fashioned but it just seems daft.
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Snipers seem to manage fine in the field with all manner of exposed turrets?
Why not just check they are correctly set before a shot? 🤷🏻
Because it is dark in many cases. We are in the low light section, aren‘t we?

If a sniper places a bad shot you have a missed or wounded enemy. Nobody says it out loud, but who cares. But no one wants this on a deer he is after.
 
I will NEVER have open turrets in the field, be there a zero stop and/or lockable turrets or not. I have other things to worry about than twiddling on the scope during a hunt. Looks very cool on TV but probably produces more errors than not.
I use Swarovski PV 3-12x50 with the TDS Plex reticule so I can accurately adjust for range without any mechanical adjustment. That said I almost never stalk past 150m but I’ve tested it on steel out to 450 and it just works.

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I use Swarovski PV 3-12x50 with the TDS Plex reticule so I can accurately adjust for range without any mechanical adjustment. That said I almost never stalk past 150m but I’ve tested it on steel out to 450 and it just works.

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Either this or a simple holdover without additional hash marks on the reticle. People who cannot assess how much 50cm are on a roe or a red should probably not take the shot in the first place.
 
Because it is dark in many cases. We are in the low light section, aren‘t we?

If a sniper places a bad shot you have a missed or wounded enemy. Nobody says it out loud, but who cares. But no one wants this on a deer he is after.
Yeah we are discussing low light aren’t we? So surely the argument is that if you can’t see what the turrets are set at when they’re three inches from your face, is there enough light being transmitted through your scope to shoot the deer you’re looking at?
Potentially, potentially not. Just food for thought.
Just thought I’d make the point that it’s about knowing your gear. There’s a lot of talk about ‘I had a turret move on me during a stalk’ etc. They don’t move anywhere on their own. Would it not be prudent for those stalking with exposed turrets to always have that courtesy check to ensure they are correctly set before each shot? No offence intended. Merely making a point.

So just for clarity, are you saying that people would care more about animals they are shooting at over people?
 
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Either this or a simple holdover without additional hash marks on the reticle. People who cannot assess how much 50cm are on a roe or a red should probably not take the shot in the first place.
I once thought so too, but I have to admit that you start to appreciate the brilliance of a system such as Zeiss’ ASV+ once you use it.

So just for clarity, are you saying that people would care more about animals they are shooting at over people?
The evidence points to “most definitely”.
 
Yeah we are discussing low light aren’t we? So surely the argument is that if you can’t see what the turrets are set at when they’re three inches from your face, is there enough light being transmitted through your scope to shoot the deer you’re looking at?
Potentially, potentially not. Just food for thought.
Just thought I’d make the point that it’s about knowing your gear. There’s a lot of talk about ‘I had a turret move on me during a stalk’ etc. They don’t move anywhere on their own. Would it not be prudent for those stalking with exposed turrets to always have that curtesy check to ensure they are correctly set before each shot? No offence intended. Merely making a point.

So just for clarity, are you saying that people would care more about animals they are shooting at over people?
Regarding light conditions, yes, this is exactly as you say. Not enough to positively check the turrets but enough to shoot a deer. Have a look at @Heym SR20 post #92. This is exactly how it works and how I have hunted for a decade.

I will ignore your last sentence. I believe I have made my point.
 
Snipers seem to manage fine in the field with all manner of exposed turrets?
Why not just check they are correctly set before a shot? 🤷🏻
Because in the heat of the moment on very last visible light when you are waiting for the stag to come out of the shadows and present a shot, when he does you may, just may, not check the turret especially if you have already checked it twice during the day. We had a jog to get to where the deer were emerging and I suspect it was then that the turret turned by rubbing on my back either that or getting in and out of the slip/truck.

As far as respect for the deer, I’ve been out today and spent well over a grand on a new scope to prevent it happening again!
 
When I bought my first rifle and scope it was a Schmidt & Bender 8x56. That was in 1996! And it was by no means the premiere league. The top scopes at the time were by Zeiss and Swarovski. Schmidt & Bender was only second choice. Also a fixed magnification was already outdated at that time. I soon parted with it and replaced it with a 3-12x56 Zeiss VM and later the 2,5-10x50 models.

I have no idea why the Schmidt & Bender 8x56 is so popular in the UK. On the continent I don't know a single person who uses or would use such an antique item.
My first rifle was in 1989 when I was a 22 year old youngster on a budget. After seeking advice, I bought a PH 1200 in .308 and an S&B 8x56. Back then the S&B was considered an entry-level quality scope. I think that's still a pretty fair description. It was a good, tough, workaday scope, though basic and I didn't like the fat reticle. But today there are better scopes for the money. (I have a steel-tubed 25mm Meopta 6X42 and for the price the optics are exceptional).
And I agree with whoever said earlier that fixed 8x power is too much for close woodland stalking. If you stalk in a variety of environments, vari-mag is what you need and you can get as good scopes and better with variable mag for similar money.

Having said that, I know my old mate who mentored me in those early days, steered me towards a fixed mag because he believed in learning to walk before trying to run, and the fewer bells and whistles the better. There is something to be said for that.
 
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