palmer_mike
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Fair point. I should have been more specific in my criticism of BASCs advice.
Shooting boar under AOLQ is entirely legal and they need not be specifically named on ones FAC
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Shooting boar under AOLQ is entirely legal and they need not be specifically named on ones FAC
palmer_mike
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Fair point. I should have been more specific in my criticism of BASCs advice.
Shooting boar under AOLQ is entirely legal and they need not be specifically named on ones FAC
if you have AOLQ on your FAC then you do not need to have deer specifically named on your FAC
Ade8mm
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Oh
Oh for goodness sake . Really?
palmer_mike
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Fair point. I should have been more specific in my criticism of BASCs advice.
Shooting boar under AOLQ is entirely legal and they need not be specifically named on ones FAC
Ade8mm
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Palmer Mike. Thanks for the Quick response . I was in the middle of editing my post when you posted quoting my reply.
Was gonna say about basc certification etc. Admittedly I havent read all the posts about calibres etc as that has been done to death already but if some opportunists are now trying to gain kudos and make a few bob for a "qualification" to shoot an animal that most fac holders (in the uk) will never see never mind have a chance to draw a bead on it is laughable. Seems to me a couple of decent dogs and a long sharp knife will do anyhow!
Maybe they should do a "Big Cat" Certificate?
(and yes seen them too but not when I had a rifle/shotgun or camera handy)
Sonicdmb73
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Not on my certificate. I have the rifles and moderators shall be used for followed by the good reasons and then ALQ.
There’s nothing specific, no serial numbers against the quarry. It simply tells me I can use the rifles for any quarry provided it’s legal. Boar no problem, Goats those too. Not specifically on my certificate but perfectly legal.
Yes, of course. Though to be pedantic it is not, as yet unlawful to shoot at them with whatever. We don't yet have a Boar act, though I suppose they could be included into the Deer Act by a simple statutory instrument, if anyone could be bothered. They are also venison, after all.
They currently fall outside the remit of any legislation, I don't think DEFRA even recognise their existence, referring to them as feral pigs, reverted back to type after a few generations, which TBH they mostly are, at least here.
Just because we nowadays often have the flexibility of the AOLQ condition, it doesn't, IMO, excuse us from being sensible about how we apply it.
And ISTM that a big boar is probably the most dangerous large game that anyone is likely to come across in the UK, so it seems sensible to treat them with respect.
By the way, I posted the heads-up about what DMQ are up to because I hadn't seen anybody else mention it. It doesn't mean that I approve of their blatant cut/paste ideas for a BSC1 (take DSC1, cut the word "deer", paste in the word "boar", twist the knife a little by banning any re-tests on the same day (double your money), make you have to register first, but that expires after 3 years so miss that window and its a whole new registration fee, etc. etc. From our self-appointed guardians. Want to see the question bank to prepare ? Well yes if you buy the manual, or pay to try it out online. Not in place yet I suspect. But we need not worry, DMQ is, after all, a "not for profit" organisation.
They are missing a trick I think because currently the DSC1 paper exercise for trained hunter status doesn't touch on piggies. How to gralloch them hygeinically, inspect their innards (quite different, I think) Or piggy diseases. Or cover stuff like sending off samples for trichinella testing before putting it into the food chain. Cue withdrawal of that and a new more comprehensive large game handling course, either totally new, or a refresher course plus retest.
I also foresee a name-change, maybe to D&BMQ.
Further, take a look at http://www.wild-boar.org.uk/pdf/WildBoar_legislation.pdf which it seems to me to be pretty well done.
Indlovu
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Great photo, DEER STALKER, thank you for sharing. That’s the armour I referred to in my post #44 and, ideally, you want the bullet to pass through it twice, producing signs of the exit wound to track, if required.
8x57
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They do, but as Jagare has reported several times recorded data in Sweden has shown that this cartridge is responsible for far more runners. Hence it's decline in popularity in recent times.
When the 6.5x55 cartridge is used for larger game in the Nordic countries heavy for calibre bullets are normally used.
NickJ
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Interesting, I hadn't heard of that study but it makes sense. Yes, I was told they used heavier bullets and the Swede mentioned said he used Norma 156 grain.
I use a 6.5x55 for all deer in the UK but recently bought a 30:06 for driven boar overseas and plains game in Africa so realise that if a choice is available 'bigger is better!'
I have only shot boar in the UK and obviously a big difference between that (head shot from a hide or high seat and quite short ranges) and driven (chest) shots.
Oryx. Used to use those myself in 6.5 55 - devastating. Shot quite a bit of Plains game up to Red Hartebeeste with it
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6.5x55 has just reaped the benefits of the new energy level requirements over here in Norway.
For big game now minimum calibre 6.5mm and 2200 kj @100m. Lead bullets min weight 139 grain. Non lead 120 grain.
Despite what many say alot of hunters still use the 6.5x55 for big game. For boar over bait at short range and suitable bullets (Oryx) should function fine. Kristoffer Klausen uses Sauer 6.5x55 for alot of his hunting.
156 grain Norma Oryx shot into water jugs at 100m.
For big game now minimum calibre 6.5mm and 2200 kj @100m. Lead bullets min weight 139 grain. Non lead 120 grain.
Despite what many say alot of hunters still use the 6.5x55 for big game. For boar over bait at short range and suitable bullets (Oryx) should function fine. Kristoffer Klausen uses Sauer 6.5x55 for alot of his hunting.
156 grain Norma Oryx shot into water jugs at 100m.
Namman
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Interesting. All the PH's I met dreaded hunters using the Swede on Oryx.
They used to say it caused a lot of walking!!
NickJ
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I borrowed a Creedmoor the last time on PG and shot up to Wildebeest with no problem. I did feel that I could have done with a bit more gun on them and the kudu though.
The move for 30:06 was because I was told ammo is widely available across Africa (including Zim) it feels a better choice for the larger antelope and for boar, one place I am hoping to go has a min .30 cal limit.
Use the biggest rifle you have would be my suggestion. Legally there's no limit, ethically I would say there certainly is. .243 will do it just fine. Hornet I would have thought would drop them with good shot placement but why chance it if you have a .243? It could leave you in legal bother and/or the animal suffering if it goes wrong and you want to do all you can to avoid either of those situations.
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