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old man
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Oi!, less of the ageist spouting.
?Don't forget us oldies paid all of the money in to start it up.
?The ones to blame are the idiots who got us into the closer political union fiasco?
This stupid situation is certainly not of my making, just mark it up to an intelligent decision made by intelligent people?
Jeez! monkeys and atom bombs?
LeftHandGuy
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Surely, once they've earned their money and paid their taxes they are free to do with whatever is left as they please? Same as anybody else. Or are you saying that they "send it home" instead of paying taxes? Since the majority of people working in the UK, immigrant and native alike, pay their taxes through PAYE I would doubt that is the case, although as I say, I'm not sure if that is what you mean.
The main topic of conversation among the Polish people that I have worked with, is the amount of money they have saved to take/send back. One chap working in a Dorset slaughterhouse had already bought 6 houses to do up back home, that was about 6 years ago. A chap who worked with us while his wife had 4 cleaning jobs, reckoned they saved £20,000 in the first year they were in the UK.
The lorry drivers shop steward had a daughter working in the local social security office. She told him that the Polish incomers had gone straight to the top of the local authority housing list.
howa243
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Pine Marten
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Doesn't answer the question of whether that's more than the tax revenue generated. Also, that's not at all specific to EU citizens and countries.
Hereford
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It is, at best, jealousy - at worst, hatred - easy pickings for the far right.
Worked along side side all manner of nationalities in the mob and in the building industry - only ever saw a good, honest work ethic and a desire to better oneself and family - certainly not looking for it on a plate.
Worked along side side all manner of nationalities in the mob and in the building industry - only ever saw a good, honest work ethic and a desire to better oneself and family - certainly not looking for it on a plate.
Money sent out of the country is not being spent here creating employment for people living here.
Some will call it International Socialism, I suppose.
howa243
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Sorry I wasn't answering your question just trying to give a feel behind how much money gets sent abroad by migrants. I think a large percentage is to Pakistan.
I believe its true to say that a substantial amount of this is money from people who themselves are on some form of benefits.
Got to love politicians and the EU. Merkels Migrant Deception | Zero Hedge
Pine Marten
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Again though, that sort of assertion really needs to be backed up.
How is stripping cash out of our country and our economy good for the UK? Of course they take as much out as they can, that's why they've come here, because once they get it to Poland, Romania etc its worth 5 or 6 times its UK value. Therefore they are not working for the same wages as their UK counterparts they are working for very much more. £1 in Poland will buy roughly five times what it will in the UK so if a Polish worker sends only 20% of his disposable income home (the equivalent of working a Saturday and potentially very much more if he's working in the cash economy) he effectively doubles his net income. That's a fantastic rate of conversion that no UK worker can hope to replicate anywhere in Europe or probably anywhere in the world. An eastern European migrant can afford to seriously undercut UK workers to the point where it is scarcely worth their working at all and still convert his remaining income so it is many times higher than theirs.
It is precisely to prevent this kind of labour market ransacking that free countries all over the world whose leaders have a scintilla of intelligence enforce strict immigration controls and do not permit unchecked free movement; and it precisely why the wealthy corporatists who grow fat on cheap labour and who pull the strings at the EU lobbied so hard to bring it about and are so desperate for it to continue.
howa243
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Doesn't answer the question but one could extrapolate. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10271855/Number-of-foreign-nationals-on-benefits-soars-to-400000.html
LeftHandGuy
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I do take your point, but I would also call it free market capitalism. Surely the very best thing to do with these obviously enterprising and clearly (4 jobs!) very hard working people is to make them feel as welcome and embedded as possible so that they are more likely to stay here, raise their children here pass on some of that hard working ethic. It would be nice if there were a few more British made things for them and everyone else to spend some of their money on, like a good quality, reasonably priced stalking rifle, but I digress...
Surely you want everyone living and working in the UK to have that same drive?
In any case, Poland is a special case we owe some of our post war prosperity to Poland. We failed to deliver Poland from tyranny, yet thousands of Poles fought under British command. Many suffered, many who attempted to return to Poland after the war were punished for having served in the Free Polish Forces.
I don't really look at is as socialism or capitalism - to me at least, it's honouring a debt. And it isn't a handout is it? The Poles with whom you worked worked hard for their money did they not?
Some did, but others soon found they could swipe in and disappear for 12 hours doing other work before coming back to swipe out.
Some wanted to stay and become British, I think, but most came with the aim of sending money home.
LeftHandGuy
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That only works if employers are breaking the law (undercutting minimum wage/making unrecorded cash in hand payments) and I'm sure it happens, and it should be policed. Tax cheats should be dealt with the same wherever they're from.
But I find this strand of arguing confused - is the problem that they are staying in Britain forever and job/house blocking, or that they are sucking income out of the country and then leaving? If the former then most of their regular cost of living is going to get reinvested in the UK economy, if the latter, then after a few seasons/years doing alright for themselves they'll leave and return having enriched their home country, narrowing the gap and reducing the incentive for others to do the same. And the opportunities work both ways, plenty of Brits have bought up property in Poland, and other places with the rents and opportunities coming back here (to the UK I mean)...
LeftHandGuy
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Well defrauding your employer like that is unpardonable wherever you're from. Dealt with a case of exactly the same thing late last year, only in this case I, the immigrant, was behaving honestly, whilst the cheat was native born. My only experience of working with Poles and Romanians has been of working with extraordinarily hard working skilled professionals. The Polish electrician I knew when I was living in Wells actually flew back to Krakow to have his hip replaced because the NHS refused to do it (they agreed he needed it, but said he was too young...). But I will freely admit that my experience of working directly with EU immigrants has been pretty narrow.
2130martin
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I think there was corruption involved with the HR dept. The chap supervising the migrants, worked for the same agency that they did, so the more hours they clocked in, the more the agency earned.
I worked with an English brickie who was told he was too young, at 51, to have a hip replacement.
The Romanians in Weymouth seem to be selling The Big Issue.
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