BSRC bisley

[Donkey Basher]

Nice to know you’re on the clubs side

Maybe instead of criticising the people who do their best to run the club you could be writing emails to the NRA Treasurer, Chairman & other trustees asking what due diligence the trustees did before committing £250-300k of NRA members money to a scheme that won’t benefit them & which takes away the facilities that already exist. Do they have a plan for the works, do they even know what the works are going to be, how long will they take, how much will they cost, what will it cost in salaries to run once it’s all done, how long will it take to pay back & start turning a profit. How does that compare with the loss of a guaranteed rental income? I’d be very surprised if they have answers to those questions…

 

[ndt man]

Nice to know you’re on the clubs side

Maybe instead of criticising the people who do their best to run the club you could be writing emails to the NRA Treasurer, Chairman & other trustees asking what due diligence the trustees did before committing £250-300k of NRA members money to a scheme that won’t benefit them & which takes away the facilities that already exist. Do they have a plan for the works, do they even know what the works are going to be, how long will they take, how much will they cost, what will it cost in salaries to run once it’s all done, how long will it take to pay back & start turning a profit. How does that compare with the loss of a guaranteed rental income? I’d be very surprised if they have answers to those questions…

How do you know I havent ? And as for being on the clubs side I'm surprised you asked !

 

[Klenchblaize]

Firstly, let's try and refrain from any in-fighting as the only winner is our 'enemy'. The irony that such is the very body that ought to be protecting and indeed promoting Sporting Rifle is certainly not lost on me!

As already alluded to, the NRA Trustees have voted to ignore a £40-50K index-linked rental income (from the BSRC) over the next 20-years in favour of an un-costed improvement - of unknown scope & duration - with Organisations they may or may not have signed contracts with. As but one example, CNC Police have been dangling prize winning sized carrots in front of the NRA for over 10-years but to the best of my knowledge have never committed. With this particular proposition in mind, one must surely ask what can the NRA teach the Military using sporting rifle ranges? At the risk of stating the obvious, Military/Police shooting & firearms handling (see post "Got Arrested This Morning") is clearly very different to that of Civilians. They could, of course, convert the running deer target to that of an XL Bully, but would the NRA and MOD be happy with a number of strategically parked target acquisition 'obstacles' (dark-windowed BMW's) parked on the range?

Tongue-in-cheek comment aside, IMHO there simply isn't the capacity on SpR ranges to accommodate MoD training needs.

K

 

[WW.]

Firstly, let's try and refrain from any in-fighting as the only winner is our 'enemy'. The irony that such is the very body that ought to be protecting and indeed promoting Sporting Rifle is certainly not lost on me!

As already alluded to, the NRA Trustees have voted to ignore a £40-50K index-linked rental income (from the BSRC) over the next 20-years in favour of an un-costed improvement - of unknown scope & duration - with Organisations they may or may not have signed contracts with. As but one example, CNC Police have been dangling prize winning sized carrots in front of the NRA for over 10-years but to the best of my knowledge have never committed. With this particular proposition in mind, one must surely ask what can the NRA teach the Military using sporting rifle ranges? At the risk of stating the obvious, Military/Police shooting & firearms handling (see post "Got Arrested This Morning") is clearly very different to that of Civilians. They could, of course, convert the running deer target to that of an XL Bully, but would the NRA and MOD be happy with a number of strategically parked target acquisition 'obstacles' (dark-windowed BMW's) parked on the range?

Tongue-in-cheek comment aside, IMHO there simply isn't the capacity on SpR ranges to accommodate MoD training needs.

K

Seems to me they could also change it to a moving human target.

I'd posit that there must be a landowner relatively nearby (maybe within an hour's drive) who might have and be willing to lease suitable land for BSRC at that amount per year. BSRC just need to take their kit with them and the NRA are then the ones with egg on their faces?

 

[Donkey Basher]

Seems to me they could also change it to a moving human target.

I'd posit that there must be a landowner relatively nearby (maybe within an hour's drive) who might have and be willing to lease suitable land for BSRC at that amount per year. BSRC just need to take their kit with them and the NRA are then the ones with egg on their faces?

If anyone within an hours drive of the GU24 0PB postcode has a piece of land that they’d be willing to lease to the club we’d be very pleased to hear from them! Realistically the issue is not going to be the space required for the ranges themselves but the range danger area needed for the running deer which extends to a very considerable area - however, there are ways around that, at a cost…

 

[Klenchblaize]

The biggest challenge to such an approach may be summarised in three words:

Local PLANNING Application

K

 

[ndt man]

Could we not move to Dorset somewhere just up the road from Mr Mercers retirement home ?
He could come and ask us to keep noise down !

 

[WW.]

If anyone within an hours drive of the GU24 0PB postcode has a piece of land that they’d be willing to lease to the club we’d be very pleased to hear from them! Realistically the issue is not going to be the space required for the ranges themselves but the range danger area needed for the running deer which extends to a very considerable area - however, there are ways around that, at a cost…

Can you DM me with what's needed?

 

[Donkey Basher]

Can you DM me with what's needed?

PM sent

 

[Donkey Basher]

Could we not move to Dorset somewhere just up the road from Mr Mercers retirement home ?
He could come and ask us to keep noise down !

And the weekends we’re not using it we could have a clay shoot & enduro bike events too

 

[Donkey Basher]

The biggest challenge to such an approach may be summarised in three words:

Local PLANNING Application

K

As would any improvements at the current sporting rifle ranges like a new deer firing point for example…

Oh, & don’t forget the bats that live in the clubhouse roof & those hairy knee ants that require a full environmental assessment before any works can take place…

 

[8x57]

Purely out of general interest what's the current situation regarding the BSRC and the ranges?
Is the club currently still shooting on the ranges and have there been any developments as regards extending the lease for a further period?

 

[Donkey Basher]

Purely out of general interest what's the current situation regarding the BSRC and the ranges?
Is the club currently still shooting on the ranges and have there been any developments as regards extending the lease for a further period?

The latest from the NRA was a confirmation that the club, and its affiliates, could continue to use the range up till the end of March. Past that it is all still very much up in the air - one thing they have confirmed is that NRA Trustees have reaffirmed their decision from December 2024 not to offer the club another lease.

Anyone got a piece of land 3km long by 2km wide within an hour of Bisley they’d like to see some ranges set up on - subject to formal tenancy agreement of course?

 

[FoxAndDeer]

Tim Pilbeam has loads of videos on YouTube shooting running targets.

Silly question - but 'why' does a club need a home office range, and the massive safety zone behind it? Seems completely illogical that any farmer could fire away on private land, with no training. But a club with very rigorous probation periods, supervision for new members etc etc have such stringent requirements?

 

[WW.]

Tim Pilbeam has loads of videos on YouTube shooting running targets.

Silly question - but 'why' does a club need a home office range, and the massive safety zone behind it? Seems completely illogical that any farmer could fire away on private land, with no training. But a club with very rigorous probation periods, supervision for new members etc etc have such stringent requirements?

To be Home Office Approved necessitates certain hoop jumping.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Hmmm.
Living in NI I have no dog running in this race but can someone please tell me why one aspect of our beloved sport is making it difficult/impossible for another? Someone somewhere needs to get a grip and think about the bigger picture.
In these hard times shooting needs to look after itself and each facet help the others - on a united front!

 

[Pine Marten]

Hmmm.
Living in NI I have no dog running in this race but can someone please tell me why one aspect of our beloved sport is making it difficult/impossible for another? Someone somewhere needs to get a grip and think about the bigger picture.
In these hard times shooting needs to look after itself and each facet help the others - on a united front!

Yes i can actually. It's for short term and probably imaginary money. That's all. B******s.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Yes i can actually. It's for short term and probably imaginary money. That's all. B******s.

Exactly as I feared. How do they sleep at night?

 

[8x57]

Tim Pilbeam has loads of videos on YouTube shooting running targets.

Silly question - but 'why' does a club need a home office range, and the massive safety zone behind it? Seems completely illogical that any farmer could fire away on private land, with no training. But a club with very rigorous probation periods, supervision for new members etc etc have such stringent requirements?

You are confusing range and club. The Home Office approves clubs not ranges. (The situation may be slightly different in Northern Ireland,?)

For a permanent rifle/pistol range to be built and to operate it has to have planning permission and adequate insurance which means it has to conform to accepted recognised design safety standards. The design standards usually applied are similar to those used for military ranges. It is actually possible to design a range using safety baffles that doesn't have a massive safety area.

Home Office approval of a club with its limited advantages is only obtained if you can prove that the club is properly managed and controlled. There are a great many H.O. approved clubs who do not own a range they merely have access to one on a regular basis, for example hiring a range from another club or hiring a M.O.D. range.

 

[63]

Firstly, let's try and refrain from any in-fighting as the only winner is our 'enemy'. The irony that such is the very body that ought to be protecting and indeed promoting Sporting Rifle is certainly not lost on me!

As already alluded to, the NRA Trustees have voted to ignore a £40-50K index-linked rental income (from the BSRC) over the next 20-years in favour of an un-costed improvement - of unknown scope & duration - with Organisations they may or may not have signed contracts with. As but one example, CNC Police have been dangling prize winning sized carrots in front of the NRA for over 10-years but to the best of my knowledge have never committed. With this particular proposition in mind, one must surely ask what can the NRA teach the Military using sporting rifle ranges? At the risk of stating the obvious, Military/Police shooting & firearms handling (see post "Got Arrested This Morning") is clearly very different to that of Civilians. They could, of course, convert the running deer target to that of an XL Bully, but would the NRA and MOD be happy with a number of strategically parked target acquisition 'obstacles' (dark-windowed BMW's) parked on the range?

Tongue-in-cheek comment aside, IMHO there simply isn't the capacity on SpR ranges to accommodate MoD training needs.

K

Unless things have changed massively in the last couple of years, plenty of MoD ranges had the ability to shoot moving targets - albeit none handy for aldermaston. I agree the BSRC facility isn’t big or special enough to be exciting to the MoD or probably even the police.