BSRC bisley
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That's disappointing. I shot Running Deer a couple of times as a guest of the BSRC at Bisley.
NRA 
unbelievably short sighted.
The sooner the bloke at the top is replaced the better.
unbelievably short sighted. The sooner the bloke at the top is replaced the better.
Can you give a source for this information please?
I received confirmation of the above directly from the BSRC committee, as did all members
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I remember the National Pistol Association "Anno Domini" meetings at Bisley where the only noticeable input from the NRA was to put a lad in the sentry box just inside the entrance to the camp to screw money out of pistol shooters attending the meeting for so called "road maintenance". The truth is IMHO that the NRA is no more nor less than "the Bisley Shooting Club" and has done little for British shooting sports save try and squeeze money out of them. I have nothing good to say about them.
My less than well-considered thread of earlier today, that related to this sad news, has thankfully now been deleted. I'm happy to admit it was rushed and a mistake that had more to do with frustration and no doubt an element of "I told you so".
So why am I now posting about it again? Simply to suggest we are very careful in what we commit to print on this site as there are still negotiations to be concluded between the BSRC and NRA. No point showing our hand - however rubbish the cards left in play may be.
K
So why am I now posting about it again? Simply to suggest we are very careful in what we commit to print on this site as there are still negotiations to be concluded between the BSRC and NRA. No point showing our hand - however rubbish the cards left in play may be.
K
I can understand your circumspection but is the current situation something like a re-run (or even the conclusion for that matter) of the 2019 one regarding leases?
No the letter states the ( lease expires on
31 December 2024 ) and no renewal
Shouldn’t that be a ‘yes’ rather than ‘no’ as it sounds very much like a re-run of the 2019 situation i.e. regarding lease (non) renewal.
An extract from the minutes of the 2019 NRA AGM is below - it’s the start of a ‘discussion’ relating to the proposed termination of the lease (page 25).
I’m not a member of the BSRC but I’ve been a member of the NRA for decades. If the BSRC tenure is threatened it would be useful to know why, so myself (and hopefully other NRA members) could write to Andrew Mercer expressing support for the lease remaining with the BSRC.
negotiations what negotiations ? is this something you a priv to that the rest of the membership aren't Or is it a secret ?
Hi.
I remember attending the 'Anno Domini' meetings very well. Also remember the NRA staff looking down their noses at us too.
I'm not privilege to anything that may not be deduced from the letter all BSRC members received. Namely the Committee have yet to meet with the NRA to discuss our physical exit from the range and by inference the unavoidable matter of "delapidations".
The NRA also make clear their desire to draw upon the Club's expertise and experience of running the ranges. Something, along with the above, that I view as an 'opportunity' when agreeing terms & conditions for our future use (hiring) of the ranges.
K
I also attended many of the ‘AD’ meetings & I can understand your sentiment - but to be fair whilst the NRA historically wasn’t as supportive of pistol shooting as it could have been, I doubt anyone even noticed a single NRA staff member (with nose in any orientation) amongst the many thousands of people competing or visiting the expansive ‘retail opportunities’ at the event. The ‘AD’ meetings really were a thing to behold.
Back on topic - whilst in principle (and in an ideal world) the NRA controlling/operating the running boar/deer ranges may have some advantages - in reality without the efforts & commitment shown by the BSRC over many years, those facilities would at best be a shadow of what they currently are or at worst not even exist. My pragmatic view is that whilst not absolutely ideal, the continued control of the facility by the BSRC is still preferable to the alternative of the NRA trying to do it. That’s assuming the BSRC are still in a position to control/maintain the facility as they have previously done so.
@webley701 you have a PM
paul o'
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Shocking news but not surprised from an Org that's not dedicated to shooting sports ?
I helped with running building and design stages
at WS10 the biggest practial pistol Competition ever held in the UK it brought it there biggest pay reward for Bisley and they still felt we we lower than a slugs arse did I mention there moaning at every step but not when they got paid !!!!
I helped with running building and design stages
at WS10 the biggest practial pistol Competition ever held in the UK it brought it there biggest pay reward for Bisley and they still felt we we lower than a slugs arse did I mention there moaning at every step but not when they got paid !!!!
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Unfortunately the NRA think they’re the dogs danglies as they’re flush with money from the Civil Nuclear Police and have forgotten all the years they were propped up by shooters. I for one think they’re unfit to govern.
Don’t want to say too much but the recent notice on NRA website is more than a little disingenuous - it reads as if the Club have been involved in the plans to open the range up; this is not the case & we were not even offered the courtesy of being told the notice was to be published.
The communications between the Club & NRA CEO Andrew Mercer have been over the terms & rent for a new long term lease/licence that was offered by him. The first we were aware of the decision not to offer a lease/licence was a letter dated 19 December - less than 2 weeks before the expiry of the old lease & just as the NRA were shutting down for Christmas meaning there was no chance for any discussion until early January & there has been no contact from the NRA over the plans since their office reopened.
The notice also refers to BSRC members getting discounted shooting & to the ranges effectively not being available to other NRA members which is spin if ever there was one. BSRC has always paid an annual rent which was set by the NRA, at the last renewal this rent was increased fourfold to a figure deemed to reflect the value of the offer. During negotiations in 2024 the figure proposed was significantly higher. As a Club the cost of the lease was covered by the cost charged to members so if there was a discount it was because the lease cost was set by the NRA.
As for the ranges not being available to the wider NRA membership, that simply isn’t true. BSRC has always offered use of the ranges to NRA members at the same price BSRC members pay as a green fee - all that was required was that they contacted the club to book their use.
In short, we’ve been shafted & appear to be victims of a plan that will see the sporting rifle ranges used as a means to generate income through their use by the military & police & not used by the sporting rifle community who have spent decades and many hundreds of thousands of pounds developing them from what was originally just a dump!
If anyone from the NRA is reading this, I stand to be corrected.
The communications between the Club & NRA CEO Andrew Mercer have been over the terms & rent for a new long term lease/licence that was offered by him. The first we were aware of the decision not to offer a lease/licence was a letter dated 19 December - less than 2 weeks before the expiry of the old lease & just as the NRA were shutting down for Christmas meaning there was no chance for any discussion until early January & there has been no contact from the NRA over the plans since their office reopened.
The notice also refers to BSRC members getting discounted shooting & to the ranges effectively not being available to other NRA members which is spin if ever there was one. BSRC has always paid an annual rent which was set by the NRA, at the last renewal this rent was increased fourfold to a figure deemed to reflect the value of the offer. During negotiations in 2024 the figure proposed was significantly higher. As a Club the cost of the lease was covered by the cost charged to members so if there was a discount it was because the lease cost was set by the NRA.
As for the ranges not being available to the wider NRA membership, that simply isn’t true. BSRC has always offered use of the ranges to NRA members at the same price BSRC members pay as a green fee - all that was required was that they contacted the club to book their use.
In short, we’ve been shafted & appear to be victims of a plan that will see the sporting rifle ranges used as a means to generate income through their use by the military & police & not used by the sporting rifle community who have spent decades and many hundreds of thousands of pounds developing them from what was originally just a dump!
If anyone from the NRA is reading this, I stand to be corrected.
As to the negotiations I'm afraid the bsrc committee was never getting a lease imo
You where amateurs at a table of card sharps
In the negotiations. After all they have a history of underhanded dealings with other clubs. Imo. He hasn't finished shafting the bsrc yet .! he will come for the equipment and offer you peanuts for it and then ask you to help run it and fix it should there be any problems ? but as normal there will be others who will sell my soul to keep them happy . But Going on past dealings with the nra you should of seen this coming ? now you are going to have to explain this to the membership
good luck
You where amateurs at a table of card sharps
In the negotiations. After all they have a history of underhanded dealings with other clubs. Imo. He hasn't finished shafting the bsrc yet .! he will come for the equipment and offer you peanuts for it and then ask you to help run it and fix it should there be any problems ? but as normal there will be others who will sell my soul to keep them happy . But Going on past dealings with the nra you should of seen this coming ? now you are going to have to explain this to the membership
good luck
