Caledonian Sleeper

[scrumbag]

It would be interesting, from an academic perspective, to consider whether taking a firearm onto someone's property (Serco's trains or Network Rail's rail corridors), against their explicit instruction, would constitute armed trespass? Or, are those places sufficiently public that the offence would be too difficult to establish?

Anyone any thoughts?

Kind regards,

Carl

Interesting. Are you trespassing with ammunition or just a firearm?

Firearms are OK on the sleeper so is taking ammo on the train trespass?

This of course doesn't hit shotgunners anything like as hard.

Scrummy

 

[TH4]

Would be interesting to know if carrying ammunition is classed as armed.

 

[CarlW]

Interesting. Are you trespassing with ammunition or just a firearm?

Firearms are OK on the sleeper so is taking ammo on the train trespass?

This of course doesn't hit shotgunners anything like as hard.

Scrummy

What I am wondering is whether the taking of ammunition on a train, against an explicit prohibition from the owner, somehow invalidates the permission you have been given to be in that train at all? If so, and you will also have a firearm, you risk becoming a trespasser (with a firearm).

I don't know: just musing, really...

 

[LeftHandGuy]

Right. I think I've solved it.

Prep, prime and charge your brass. Plug the cases with something the powder won't stick to.

Book ticket. Get stupid permission letter for rifle.

Pack Lee hand press and bullet seating die. And bullets.

Travel. Arrive. Leave train. Seat your bullets.

Now you are in possession of ammunition and you haven't taken any on the train.

 

[VSS]

Right. I think I've solved it.

Prep, prime and charge your brass. Plug the cases with something the powder won't stick to.

Book ticket. Get stupid permission letter for rifle.

Pack Lee hand press and bullet seating die. And bullets.

Travel. Arrive. Leave train. Seat your bullets.

Now you are in possession of ammunition and you haven't taken any on the train.

You could go one step further, and actually put your travelling time to good use by doing your reloading on route! Do they have sturdy enough tables in the carriages?
You wouldn't be guilty of taking ammunition onto the train, or of boarding the train with ammunition in your luggage, or whatever the precise wording is, but you'd very conveniently arrive at your destination fully equipped and ready to stalk!

 

[User00040]

Right. I think I've solved it.

Prep, prime and charge your brass. Plug the cases with something the powder won't stick to.

Book ticket. Get stupid permission letter for rifle.

Pack Lee hand press and bullet seating die. And bullets.

Travel. Arrive. Leave train. Seat your bullets.

Now you are in possession of ammunition and you haven't taken any on the train.

Even better, for seating use a Lee classic loader instead

Or, mail all the ammo components barring powder and primer and load up when you get there.

Makes sense why so many estates have an onsite or local RFD's now.